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John2

(2,730 posts)
16. I do know what I'm talking about.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jun 2013

There was no final agreed upon resolution by the U.N. They needed agreement from both sides.
The U.N. did not create any state called Israel. The agreement on the table was a two state solution for the Plestinian Mandate. There was no such state named Israel in the U.N. The votes for the ageeement depended on member states. Both sides had to agree to it. It was the United States, that influenced U.N. members to support the plan on the table. The Arab countries rejected it.

It was Ben Gurion declared the independant state of Israel without U.N. approval. The country that had sole responsibility for the Palestinian Mandate before the U.N. was Great Britain. So lets proceed with our analysis. There were maybe only thousands of Jews in the palestinian Mandate at the time. The British Government had a Policy of not letting any more Jews settle in the palestinian territory. Ben Gurion set up a resistance to British policies and attacked British Government facilities. I hope you are still following the critique? Ben Gurion and Jewish militants or extremists, were once labeled Terrorists by the Bitish Government.

Enters the United States of America and President Truman after World War II. The two countries that gained the most and became World Powers after World War II were the U.S. and U.S.S.R. The British a lot of War debts and owed a lot to the U.S. There were Zionist organizations, mainly in the U.S. wanted to create a homeland for displaced Jews. A lot of countries refused to accept them, including immigration policies were tightened in the US. and Britain. So they chose Palestine and surveys were done among Jewish groups, about this proposed homeland. The only problem was, there were already people there.

The U.S. ignored it, and the British did not The U.S. used the plight of holocaust Jews to embarrass British Foreign Policy. Instead, the British washed their hands of the Palestinian Mandate and left it for the new U.N. to decide. That is when the U.S. Government stepped in as the biggest supporter of Israel. Just like today, the U.S. has enormous influence in the U.N. over countries they give aid to, militarily and domestically. If the U.S. don't gets its way, then you'll pay for it.

Now we are talking about a few thousand Jews, the Bitish once labeled a Terrorist group. All of a sudden, within a short period of time, they become the most powerful military in the Middle East. We are talking about from 1948 and their first Wars with Arab armies. We are talking a Decade or two. They have a sophisticated Air Force and mechanized armored divisions. Much of it was American and British made. I hope you are still following me?

Those few hundred thousand Jews became millions. Millions that had no possessions when they entered the new state of Israel. The new U.N. had no state except the U.S. to enforce Resolutions. Do you still maintain the U.S. did not create Israel? Israel had no Military Industry within the country. They had to build one with outside help. Not only that, these new settlers were given economic assistance and promised land if they came to Israel. Many left countries like Poland. There are only an estimated, 5,000 Jews left in Poland, from what was about 3-4 million. It is the exact copy of the Apartheid Policies of South Africa, whom the U.S. and Israel both supported at the time.

Israel needs the U.S. period for existance. Just how many times has the U.S. saved Israel with a veto in the U.N.? Remove all those vetos since Israel came into existance, they would not exist today. They would be worst off than North Korea, with sanctions. So do you still maintain, Israel's existance, does not depend on the United States?

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This is John2 Jun 2013 #1
I agree that Israel had a huge amount of millitary aid, but you ignore the motivation karynnj Jun 2013 #6
Take it to the starting point in your example: People from other states kicked the NCers out of byeya Jun 2013 #9
I'm not in disagreement there - I know that Palestinians fled, taking their house keys karynnj Jun 2013 #17
You don't know what you are talking about. former9thward Jun 2013 #11
I do know what I'm talking about. John2 Jun 2013 #16
"There are only an estimated, 5,000 Jews left in Poland, from what was about 3-4 million." oberliner Jun 2013 #28
Thank you! sikofit3 Jun 2013 #36
Hear! Hear! The USA should not send another dime to Israel until that country cleans up its act. byeya Jun 2013 #2
We keep Israel alive Plucketeer Jun 2013 #7
+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #15
OK then, Let's use the 1948 lines then!! on point Jun 2013 #3
+ + + byeya Jun 2013 #4
They already are using the 1948 lines, more or less cpwm17 Jun 2013 #8
Israel is the poster child for theocracies??? former9thward Jun 2013 #12
Israel is blocking the two-state solution cpwm17 Jun 2013 #13
I named a number of them. former9thward Jun 2013 #14
That is factually untrue Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #27
Actually sikofit3 Jun 2013 #37
Israel is not a theocracy Mosby Jun 2013 #18
Everything after yr subject line is incorrect... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #30
More interesting, IMO, and buried in the sixth paragraph... Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #5
The Arabs weren't satisfied with the 1948 lines Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #10
Yup Mosby Jun 2013 #19
They've never accepted Jews. jessie04 Jun 2013 #20
What they didn't accept was not jews. but a state that disposed them of their land on point Jun 2013 #22
the nation of Israel is part of Judaism. Mosby Jun 2013 #23
Sorry, but if you really want to go back in history they stole it then too on point Jun 2013 #24
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #26
"The fact is the Jews stole Palestinian lands" oberliner Jun 2013 #29
That post was factual cpwm17 Jun 2013 #39
No it wasn't oberliner Jun 2013 #40
Do you think the Palestines have any right to live there? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #21
Sure they do. Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #31
wow... okay Marrah_G Jun 2013 #33
I wouldn't have been happy with my land being taken either... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #25
The "Palestinians" were never a race Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #32
So what? Neither are Australians. They are a people, though... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #34
My solution telclaven Jun 2013 #35
I too sikofit3 Jun 2013 #38
I do support a Palestinian state Pab Sungenis Jun 2013 #41
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