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Kelvin Mace

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61. Most, but not all

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:34 AM

Jun 2013

And we are dealing with the SAME agencies, despite their being being different presidents.

So, again, why do you wish to believe agencies with a long history of contempt for the law, as well as actual criminal activities up to and including attempted murder, murder by proxy, torture and torture by proxy?

Face it, the guy we voted for, the guy we believed in, turned out to be not much better than the guy he replaced, and in many ways, he is far worse.

Reality is often ugly, but ignoring reality is far, far uglier.

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Most Americans back NSA tracking phone records, prioritize probes over privacy [View all] IDemo Jun 2013 OP

Obedient sheep MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1

Did you miss the words "court order"? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #23

Nope. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #26

no great surprise. creon Jun 2013 #2

Are we really safer? I don't think we are. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #4

Well, we have been doing this kind of thing since the Bush era thefool_wa Jun 2013 #8

So it doesn't work unless it's 100% effective? Not agreeing with totality of surveillance happening KittyWampus Jun 2013 #25

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts thefool_wa Jun 2013 #35

I don't think so, either. Too much "information" being gathered to adequately analyze... deurbano Jun 2013 #10

questionable creon Jun 2013 #59

that's why we're supposed to have better representation in congress and the senate.... mike_c Jun 2013 #3

Why are you a Democrat? Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #13

I'm not.... mike_c Jun 2013 #14

Are you a leftist of any sort? Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #15

of course.... mike_c Jun 2013 #17

Fair enough. Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #18

You might not like your neighbor christx30 Jun 2013 #42

Conservatives go with heart strings and church giving DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #47

It works the other way--if voters don't care, politicians certainly won't nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

I respectfully disagree, although I also understand where you'd get that impression.... mike_c Jun 2013 #30

Well, if the voters aren't going to care abou that, the MIC and other tools of the powerful and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #32

So this is how 1984 happens. originalpckelly Jun 2013 #5

yes, indeed. n/t KarenS Jun 2013 #40

*****BREAKING***** Fuddnik Jun 2013 #6

If this is you... thefool_wa Jun 2013 #7

Biased poll. False Premise Ash_F Jun 2013 #9

precisely Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #27

Indeed, if they had phrased the question accurately, it would have been a landslide against PRISM. Ash_F Jun 2013 #34

Maybe the Washington Post.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #11

Easy to get these results with our state/corporate media propagandizing all the time. PSPS Jun 2013 #12

Not surprising... most people would rather have terrorists stopped.. DCBob Jun 2013 #16

I have seen little evidence Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #22

You wouldnt since its not really wise for the agencies to reveal details.. DCBob Jun 2013 #24

How convenient Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #29

How predictible. DCBob Jun 2013 #31

How many times must a man lie to your before you stop believing him? Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #36

Most that is Bush, Reagan and Nixon era stuff. DCBob Jun 2013 #38

Most, but not all Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #61

The sucessful lies ...we never know about. I am sure there are many more. L0oniX Jun 2013 #45

What evidence? neverforget Jun 2013 #53

I agree as well, the only evidence we have seen WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #49

Exactly! Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #62

At various times, the "majority" of Americans Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #19

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+1 blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #50

Hope and Change....Its...ITS A COOKBOOK!!!! markiv Jun 2013 #28

1975 '3 Days of the Condor final scene, sums up the media markiv Jun 2013 #33

Most excellent! NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #57

did you notice that Snowden went to the Guardian, not the New York Times? markiv Jun 2013 #58

Erosion of liberty will never stop. Drip, drip, drip. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #37

All depends on who's running the executive branch. Laelth Jun 2013 #41

I smell bullshit. L0oniX Jun 2013 #43

Not sheep...we just want to be safe. SoapBox Jun 2013 #44

I wonder if you would feel the same with Romney at the helm? NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #46

Gawd, can you imagine? rightsideout Jun 2013 #52

Our rights are not something that a majority of persons WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #48

Bahhhhhh Bahhhhhhh rightsideout Jun 2013 #51

as I said elsewhere- What would FDR do? nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #54

Guess what? They're MY RIGHTS... Malik Agar Jun 2013 #55

I don't give "most Americans" the authority to take my 4th amendment rights away from me. dkf Jun 2013 #56

The key paragraph from the article: JoeyT Jun 2013 #60