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92. Ok...that's a definition. What statute was broken? It's easier if you do this...

Reply to askeptic (Reply #86)

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 05:22 PM

Jun 2013

Cite an act.

Cite a statute.

Argue how the act meets the elements of the offense outlined in the statute.

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Edward Snowden: US government has been hacking Hong Kong and China for years [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2013 OP

that's hardly a revelation lol nt msongs Jun 2013 #1

showing the Chinese how we've done it will be for them. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #2

I wonder if he's sitting there with his Chinese minder flamingdem Jun 2013 #20

Ron Paul supporter becomes agent of the Chinese Communist Party. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

Maybe he can start a Libertarian Party flamingdem Jun 2013 #46

Tells all in exclusive interview to Rupert Murdoch's South China Morning Post. MADem Jun 2013 #55

Woe is us ................ dothemath Jun 2013 #107

your word salad missed the point, so it was geek tragedy Jun 2013 #109

They already knew the how - its what they do to control intra-China, askeptic Jun 2013 #115

An old LAT 2012 shows nothing really revealed - explains how carrier owner can hack askeptic Jun 2013 #123

New Flash!!!! timdog44 Jun 2013 #3

If you read the article, he's clearly sucking up to the Chinese. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4

Absolutely. timdog44 Jun 2013 #6

Maybe they'll take firebagger mimi85 Jun 2013 #27

Why? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #28

I guess my problem timdog44 Jun 2013 #31

"sounds like" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #32

I think this timdog44 Jun 2013 #33

You are most certainly welcome to your opinion. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #36

Hope you don't think I am being argumentative. timdog44 Jun 2013 #38

No. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #53

Well, there are a lot of odd connections, if you want to take that approach. MADem Jun 2013 #65

I wonder who is paying his bills too? timdog44 Jun 2013 #81

1000 warrants a year is chickenfeed. Even 10000 is a drop in the bucket. MADem Jun 2013 #90

So true. timdog44 Jun 2013 #94

I think Mr Obama disagrees with you reorg Jun 2013 #30

Yeah, it kind of exposes our hypocrisy. JoeyT Jun 2013 #39

I am sorry for not responding sooner. timdog44 Jun 2013 #100

I think Mr Obama believes it IS a big deal reorg Jun 2013 #110

I think we are timdog44 Jun 2013 #114

Ho Hum warrant46 Jun 2013 #102

Fucker n/t eissa Jun 2013 #5

Will Snowden be happy if he starts a war? Politicalboi Jun 2013 #7

Only if it's a big war flamingdem Jun 2013 #44

If hacking the Chinese christx30 Jun 2013 #48

Don't you think that the Chinese already knew we were doing it? I'm sure totodeinhere Jun 2013 #57

Of course the hundreds of thousand of Chinese hacks of American Historic NY Jun 2013 #8

We can pretty much count on that having happened. timdog44 Jun 2013 #10

He is a traitor. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #9

Well, to me, exposing criminal activity by our government is laudable askeptic Jun 2013 #13

Kindly cite the federal statute broken? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #16

This ^^^^ Lochloosa Jun 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author askeptic Jun 2013 #58

Funny how spying and hacking only criminal for others! askeptic Jun 2013 #62

Couldn't find a statute broken, then? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #64

It's not a statute. The Stranger Jun 2013 #72

Indeed. You do know that criminal offenses under the Constitution are codified? msanthrope Jun 2013 #79

Then look it up yourself. The Stranger Jun 2013 #91

I'm not the one asserting a law was broken! nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #93

Looks to me like plain old Computer Fraud and Abuse Act askeptic Jun 2013 #74

Right. Wanna cite the code section you think was broken? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #83

Play lawyer by yourself askeptic Jun 2013 #87

CFAA includesa computer used in or affecting interstate or FOREIGN commerce or communication askeptic Jun 2013 #86

Ok...that's a definition. What statute was broken? It's easier if you do this... msanthrope Jun 2013 #92

Seriously, I'd like that answer, too. MADem Jun 2013 #69

It's criminal to spy on the Chinese government? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

Is it criminal to hack US Govt computers? askeptic Jun 2013 #80

I'm pretty sure no one in China is being prosecuted for hacking our systems. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #88

Hmmm--now who were those foreign "anonymous" guys they picked up? askeptic Jun 2013 #106

Wah wah the US hacked the Chinese Gov Cha Jun 2013 #37

If he had revealed the same thing during the Bush Administration would you totodeinhere Jun 2013 #59

Absolutely. Regardless of who is President, the Chinese gov't is not a friend msanthrope Jun 2013 #60

Thank you. I respect your opinion then although I don't entirely totodeinhere Jun 2013 #67

We are in a state of war with china? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #124

Ask Jonathan Pollard if we were in a state of war with Israel. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #125

Pollard was not accused of treason. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #129

Snowden claims this happened only since 2009? Okay, motive revealed. Obama attack. I think we all okaawhatever Jun 2013 #11

good observation! OKNancy Jun 2013 #18

Hmmm...he doesn't mention Obama with one word!? temmer Jun 2013 #19

when did Obama take office? OKNancy Jun 2013 #22

Not only that, but he has previously said bad things about Obama that sounded scripted. He claimed okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52

Where in that quote does he mention Obama? I haven't seen one quote from him criticizing totodeinhere Jun 2013 #71

And how long has Snowden had access to information? Igel Jun 2013 #56

He was working in DC with the CIA and NSA since 2004. Also, if he had access to the program he okaawhatever Jun 2013 #68

Big Bad Obama! I knew it! Cha Jun 2013 #40

He may not have had any access to this type of information prior to 2009. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #61

Amazing how fast this guy went from 'hero' to 'traitor' railsback Jun 2013 #12

If everyone knew it was happening nineteen50 Jun 2013 #24

Because it's been happening long before that eissa Jun 2013 #43

It started nineteen50 Jun 2013 #49

Then re-debate the Patriot Act eissa Jun 2013 #50

I was dead set against the patriot act nineteen50 Jun 2013 #82

I don't think that he is saying it "only" happened since Obama took office. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #63

I was against it then and I am against it now. nineteen50 Jun 2013 #84

OK... he's a little turd and a fool OKNancy Jun 2013 #14

I think this is aimed at the people of Hongkong temmer Jun 2013 #15

You do know Hong Kong belongs to China, don't you? Hekate Jun 2013 #25

I should hope we are! For gods' sake, Chinese government hackers have positioned themselves... Hekate Jun 2013 #23

and the propaganda machine has been dialed to nineteen50 Jun 2013 #26

The only question remaining, was he a dumbass before or after he started following Rand Paul? tridim Jun 2013 #29

Look forward to hearing the "hero" narrative on this revelation Alhena Jun 2013 #34

Does a bear sh*t in the woods? What else is new? n/t truth2power Jun 2013 #35

Yeah, Snowden isn't 1/2 as important as he thinks he is. Cha Jun 2013 #41

maybe he can become an English teacher flamingdem Jun 2013 #45

HK is very cosmopolitan--everyone speaks English. I've never had trouble getting around there. MADem Jun 2013 #75

I just posted a Bloomberg article in GD flamingdem Jun 2013 #76

This is a game changer for me. Giving Chinese our surviellance secrets is treason. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #47

That was my first thought too. moobu2 Jun 2013 #51

He did not give them any secrets. They surely knew it already. They are not totodeinhere Jun 2013 #66

He most certainly did give them secrets, he gave them information about what and how they targeted. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #73

You really think he told them things they didn't know already? The "T" word totodeinhere Jun 2013 #78

What in the world makes you think they would know how and what targets we were survielling? DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #85

IT security specialists can tell if computer networks are being hacked totodeinhere Jun 2013 #99

They already knew the how, they use it themselves to control and monitor intra-China traffic askeptic Jun 2013 #112

But your apple has a worm in it...or so I read here on DU HangOnKids Jun 2013 #96

He was NEVER a whistleblower...he never revealed anything illegal... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #98

I have no bubble to burst, however... DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #108

You said and I quote " Snowden was a whistleblower" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #111

Find out what you had on 9/11/01, then get back with us... KansDem Jun 2013 #54

. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #70

He is going to far now. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #77

yeah look at all the chinese movies, games, music, technology, we have today /s Sunlei Jun 2013 #89

Civilians are game. Here or abroad. Doesn't matter. Ash_F Jun 2013 #95

And they've been hacking us for years. Yawn. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #97

Yet some people in this thread are calling him a traitor for revealing secret information totodeinhere Jun 2013 #101

Agreed. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #104

The reason for that is because he is a propaganda tool of the Chinese now still_one Jun 2013 #105

We'll see about that. So far there have been no statements from the Chinese totodeinhere Jun 2013 #121

Gee, thanks Ed for revealing the hypocrisy from the cradle of democracy, China still_one Jun 2013 #103

Trying to start a war, Mr Snowden? roamer65 Jun 2013 #113

Come on. There is not going to be a war between the US and China. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #122

Kick Tx4obama Jun 2013 #116

So the NSA targeted universities, businesses and public officials. Autumn Jun 2013 #117

they were spying on China nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #118

Yeah, universities, businesses and public officials in China n/t Autumn Jun 2013 #119

If China is anything like the US, all three geek tragedy Jun 2013 #120

And China and Russia have been hacking the US for years. Beacool Jun 2013 #126

Snowden's motives for going to China totodeinhere Jun 2013 #127

Why China instead of Ecuador? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #130

Maybe because he reasons his security would be better in China. David__77 Jun 2013 #131

So why didn't Assange hole up in the Chinese embassy? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #132

China is a more high profile country and the southern part of China near Hong Kong totodeinhere Jun 2013 #133

"tried to make a career in China using his computer skills" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #134

Like I said, for now I am willing to give him the benefit of the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #135

People who style themselves freedom warriors and then set up shop geek tragedy Jun 2013 #136

I'm just glad Obama is spying on us AND China. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #128