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132. So why didn't Assange hole up in the Chinese embassy?

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:16 AM

Jun 2013

If Ecuador's good enough for Assange, it ought to be good enough for this guy.

No, the real answer is that Assange chose Ecuador because they'll allow him to be independent and speak his mind, whereas Snowden chose China because he is of value to them and can thus negotiate himself a nice deal.

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Edward Snowden: US government has been hacking Hong Kong and China for years [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2013 OP

that's hardly a revelation lol nt msongs Jun 2013 #1

showing the Chinese how we've done it will be for them. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #2

I wonder if he's sitting there with his Chinese minder flamingdem Jun 2013 #20

Ron Paul supporter becomes agent of the Chinese Communist Party. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

Maybe he can start a Libertarian Party flamingdem Jun 2013 #46

Tells all in exclusive interview to Rupert Murdoch's South China Morning Post. MADem Jun 2013 #55

Woe is us ................ dothemath Jun 2013 #107

your word salad missed the point, so it was geek tragedy Jun 2013 #109

They already knew the how - its what they do to control intra-China, askeptic Jun 2013 #115

An old LAT 2012 shows nothing really revealed - explains how carrier owner can hack askeptic Jun 2013 #123

New Flash!!!! timdog44 Jun 2013 #3

If you read the article, he's clearly sucking up to the Chinese. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4

Absolutely. timdog44 Jun 2013 #6

Maybe they'll take firebagger mimi85 Jun 2013 #27

Why? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #28

I guess my problem timdog44 Jun 2013 #31

"sounds like" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #32

I think this timdog44 Jun 2013 #33

You are most certainly welcome to your opinion. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #36

Hope you don't think I am being argumentative. timdog44 Jun 2013 #38

No. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #53

Well, there are a lot of odd connections, if you want to take that approach. MADem Jun 2013 #65

I wonder who is paying his bills too? timdog44 Jun 2013 #81

1000 warrants a year is chickenfeed. Even 10000 is a drop in the bucket. MADem Jun 2013 #90

So true. timdog44 Jun 2013 #94

I think Mr Obama disagrees with you reorg Jun 2013 #30

Yeah, it kind of exposes our hypocrisy. JoeyT Jun 2013 #39

I am sorry for not responding sooner. timdog44 Jun 2013 #100

I think Mr Obama believes it IS a big deal reorg Jun 2013 #110

I think we are timdog44 Jun 2013 #114

Ho Hum warrant46 Jun 2013 #102

Fucker n/t eissa Jun 2013 #5

Will Snowden be happy if he starts a war? Politicalboi Jun 2013 #7

Only if it's a big war flamingdem Jun 2013 #44

If hacking the Chinese christx30 Jun 2013 #48

Don't you think that the Chinese already knew we were doing it? I'm sure totodeinhere Jun 2013 #57

Of course the hundreds of thousand of Chinese hacks of American Historic NY Jun 2013 #8

We can pretty much count on that having happened. timdog44 Jun 2013 #10

He is a traitor. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #9

Well, to me, exposing criminal activity by our government is laudable askeptic Jun 2013 #13

Kindly cite the federal statute broken? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #16

This ^^^^ Lochloosa Jun 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author askeptic Jun 2013 #58

Funny how spying and hacking only criminal for others! askeptic Jun 2013 #62

Couldn't find a statute broken, then? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #64

It's not a statute. The Stranger Jun 2013 #72

Indeed. You do know that criminal offenses under the Constitution are codified? msanthrope Jun 2013 #79

Then look it up yourself. The Stranger Jun 2013 #91

I'm not the one asserting a law was broken! nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #93

Looks to me like plain old Computer Fraud and Abuse Act askeptic Jun 2013 #74

Right. Wanna cite the code section you think was broken? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #83

Play lawyer by yourself askeptic Jun 2013 #87

CFAA includesa computer used in or affecting interstate or FOREIGN commerce or communication askeptic Jun 2013 #86

Ok...that's a definition. What statute was broken? It's easier if you do this... msanthrope Jun 2013 #92

Seriously, I'd like that answer, too. MADem Jun 2013 #69

It's criminal to spy on the Chinese government? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

Is it criminal to hack US Govt computers? askeptic Jun 2013 #80

I'm pretty sure no one in China is being prosecuted for hacking our systems. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #88

Hmmm--now who were those foreign "anonymous" guys they picked up? askeptic Jun 2013 #106

Wah wah the US hacked the Chinese Gov Cha Jun 2013 #37

If he had revealed the same thing during the Bush Administration would you totodeinhere Jun 2013 #59

Absolutely. Regardless of who is President, the Chinese gov't is not a friend msanthrope Jun 2013 #60

Thank you. I respect your opinion then although I don't entirely totodeinhere Jun 2013 #67

We are in a state of war with china? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #124

Ask Jonathan Pollard if we were in a state of war with Israel. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #125

Pollard was not accused of treason. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #129

Snowden claims this happened only since 2009? Okay, motive revealed. Obama attack. I think we all okaawhatever Jun 2013 #11

good observation! OKNancy Jun 2013 #18

Hmmm...he doesn't mention Obama with one word!? temmer Jun 2013 #19

when did Obama take office? OKNancy Jun 2013 #22

Not only that, but he has previously said bad things about Obama that sounded scripted. He claimed okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52

Where in that quote does he mention Obama? I haven't seen one quote from him criticizing totodeinhere Jun 2013 #71

And how long has Snowden had access to information? Igel Jun 2013 #56

He was working in DC with the CIA and NSA since 2004. Also, if he had access to the program he okaawhatever Jun 2013 #68

Big Bad Obama! I knew it! Cha Jun 2013 #40

He may not have had any access to this type of information prior to 2009. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #61

Amazing how fast this guy went from 'hero' to 'traitor' railsback Jun 2013 #12

If everyone knew it was happening nineteen50 Jun 2013 #24

Because it's been happening long before that eissa Jun 2013 #43

It started nineteen50 Jun 2013 #49

Then re-debate the Patriot Act eissa Jun 2013 #50

I was dead set against the patriot act nineteen50 Jun 2013 #82

I don't think that he is saying it "only" happened since Obama took office. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #63

I was against it then and I am against it now. nineteen50 Jun 2013 #84

OK... he's a little turd and a fool OKNancy Jun 2013 #14

I think this is aimed at the people of Hongkong temmer Jun 2013 #15

You do know Hong Kong belongs to China, don't you? Hekate Jun 2013 #25

I should hope we are! For gods' sake, Chinese government hackers have positioned themselves... Hekate Jun 2013 #23

and the propaganda machine has been dialed to nineteen50 Jun 2013 #26

The only question remaining, was he a dumbass before or after he started following Rand Paul? tridim Jun 2013 #29

Look forward to hearing the "hero" narrative on this revelation Alhena Jun 2013 #34

Does a bear sh*t in the woods? What else is new? n/t truth2power Jun 2013 #35

Yeah, Snowden isn't 1/2 as important as he thinks he is. Cha Jun 2013 #41

maybe he can become an English teacher flamingdem Jun 2013 #45

HK is very cosmopolitan--everyone speaks English. I've never had trouble getting around there. MADem Jun 2013 #75

I just posted a Bloomberg article in GD flamingdem Jun 2013 #76

This is a game changer for me. Giving Chinese our surviellance secrets is treason. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #47

That was my first thought too. moobu2 Jun 2013 #51

He did not give them any secrets. They surely knew it already. They are not totodeinhere Jun 2013 #66

He most certainly did give them secrets, he gave them information about what and how they targeted. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #73

You really think he told them things they didn't know already? The "T" word totodeinhere Jun 2013 #78

What in the world makes you think they would know how and what targets we were survielling? DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #85

IT security specialists can tell if computer networks are being hacked totodeinhere Jun 2013 #99

They already knew the how, they use it themselves to control and monitor intra-China traffic askeptic Jun 2013 #112

But your apple has a worm in it...or so I read here on DU HangOnKids Jun 2013 #96

He was NEVER a whistleblower...he never revealed anything illegal... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #98

I have no bubble to burst, however... DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #108

You said and I quote " Snowden was a whistleblower" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #111

Find out what you had on 9/11/01, then get back with us... KansDem Jun 2013 #54

. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #70

He is going to far now. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #77

yeah look at all the chinese movies, games, music, technology, we have today /s Sunlei Jun 2013 #89

Civilians are game. Here or abroad. Doesn't matter. Ash_F Jun 2013 #95

And they've been hacking us for years. Yawn. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #97

Yet some people in this thread are calling him a traitor for revealing secret information totodeinhere Jun 2013 #101

Agreed. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #104

The reason for that is because he is a propaganda tool of the Chinese now still_one Jun 2013 #105

We'll see about that. So far there have been no statements from the Chinese totodeinhere Jun 2013 #121

Gee, thanks Ed for revealing the hypocrisy from the cradle of democracy, China still_one Jun 2013 #103

Trying to start a war, Mr Snowden? roamer65 Jun 2013 #113

Come on. There is not going to be a war between the US and China. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #122

Kick Tx4obama Jun 2013 #116

So the NSA targeted universities, businesses and public officials. Autumn Jun 2013 #117

they were spying on China nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #118

Yeah, universities, businesses and public officials in China n/t Autumn Jun 2013 #119

If China is anything like the US, all three geek tragedy Jun 2013 #120

And China and Russia have been hacking the US for years. Beacool Jun 2013 #126

Snowden's motives for going to China totodeinhere Jun 2013 #127

Why China instead of Ecuador? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #130

Maybe because he reasons his security would be better in China. David__77 Jun 2013 #131

So why didn't Assange hole up in the Chinese embassy? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #132

China is a more high profile country and the southern part of China near Hong Kong totodeinhere Jun 2013 #133

"tried to make a career in China using his computer skills" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #134

Like I said, for now I am willing to give him the benefit of the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #135

People who style themselves freedom warriors and then set up shop geek tragedy Jun 2013 #136

I'm just glad Obama is spying on us AND China. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #128