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The Doctor.

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146. No insults, just factual observation.

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:45 PM

Feb 2012

No 'victory' or 'defeat'. Just an attempt to bring something into focus.

You believe something for which no support exists. You simply choose to believe that you know Obama's intentions, yet you cannot point to anything that backs up such a belief.

Does it not bother you that fundamentalists do the same thing? They choose to believe much for which no support exists. It bothers me to see that same behavior coming from supposed progressives, yet here it is, right in front of me.

To truly believe that every single thing a President signs contains only provisions that the President wants displays an astounding level of political naïvete as well. If that is truly all you have to go on, I have another question:

"Do you actually believe that Presidents never propose or sign anything that contains provisions they are personally opposed to?"

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Russ Feingold: Obama Super PAC Reversal Will Lead To 'A Legalized Abramoff System' [View all] avaistheone1 Feb 2012 OP

I don't think they have backed off criticism of the super PACs, they have backed off losing OKNancy Feb 2012 #1

Thank you. I couldn't agree more. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #3

Agree. They're bringing a gun to a gun fight. klook Feb 2012 #4

Back when special interest money started flooding into campaigns in the 90s, corrupting the entire groovedaddy Feb 2012 #24

Then we saw the power of the highest-bidder media. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #57

wishful thinking DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #58

A good from Robert Scheer on this very topic groovedaddy Feb 2012 #117

one quote that shows why his whole argument falls DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #128

I don't like Obama (and won't vote for him), but he's right on this one. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #7

Who do you plan on voting for? Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #14

No idea. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #18

What issue is the deal breaker between yourself and Obama? Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #22

There are several. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #32

Fair enough. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #35

Count me curious. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #50

The not voting for him part. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #52

Interesting. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #55

I appreciate the opportunity to have a good discussion. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #56

Nicely done. 8^D We need more like you. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #62

Fantastic Dialogue you two!! ermasdaughter Feb 2012 #74

"Fantastic" is exactly right. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #76

Please consider the possibility... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #63

Knowing that Lt. General DeWitt had misgivings about mass the internment of Japanese-Americans OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #67

False Parity is a sad resort of a desperate argument. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #68

Before you start shouting, "Argumentative fallacy!" OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #69

Yelling and screaming will not persuade me, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #71

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #72

Your true character is revealed. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #75

THIS PERSECUTION IS AN OUTRAGE! OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #73

Hmmmm.... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #78

"if a person really believes in a particular point, they don't compromise on it" boppers Feb 2012 #81

Actually...no. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #82

"is always wrong" boppers Feb 2012 #83

"is always wrong"...yeah...some things are "always wrong." However, I'm curious when... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #84

Some people keep killing until they're stopped. boppers Feb 2012 #93

I'm tired but I'll try again. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #95

Let's take, oh, the terrorist. boppers Feb 2012 #96

Wow. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #102

That's some wool. boppers Feb 2012 #103

Fantastic. Efficiency at last. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #104

"Silence has never equaled admission. " boppers Feb 2012 #115

Been there, done that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #121

Not much imagination needed, as I once worked for an internet "tapping" company. boppers Feb 2012 #124

More satire. That's good. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #125

LOL, no, I was being serious. boppers Feb 2012 #141

Absolutes are always wrong.... It did seem that your post had 24601 Feb 2012 #114

That's not what I was saying. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #119

First and foremost, let me get one thing right out of the way... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #85

Let me get this out of the way. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #88

Do you know why he appointed Holder? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #91

Okay, I'd really like to know how you came to the conclusion that indefinite detention was something The Doctor. Feb 2012 #86

Huh? FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #89

I'm sorry. I looked and I wasn't able to find it. If you could please show me The Doctor. Feb 2012 #92

It's all here. If you can't see it, I give up. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #94

If it is there, then you can pinpoint it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #99

Well, there it is. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #107

I didn't call you a wingnut, and you know it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #111

Yeah, I think you did. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #120

Fish Swim. Yet swimming doesn't make you a fish. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #123

It is not my problem... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #126

That doesn't work on me. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #131

I finally got it. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #142

Cute. But fail. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #143

You're funny. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #145

No insults, just factual observation. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #146

Since you're apparently not going to answer the question, I'll explain to the readers why. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #147

No. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #148

That's a pretty typical tactic. It doesn't work on me either. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #149

You go with that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #150

I know you're looking for a way out. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #151

I think it's fun to watch your obsession with me. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #152

Oh, it's nothing so personal. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #153

What do you mean "Huh?"? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #98

Here. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #101

It always fascinates me when someone becomes condescending, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #112

Oh...now I get it. Satire. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #118

omg. inna Feb 2012 #137

I don't pretend to be something I'm not. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #138

I imagine many people sincerely believe they have... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #154

Such wise condescension. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #156

Thank you for all thesse links. truedelphi Feb 2012 #134

The NDAA codified what was already decided. By supreme law of the land (not the president). boppers Feb 2012 #97

They aren't "war prisoners." FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #100

...and "there is no spoon". boppers Feb 2012 #116

you're 100% correct, and this was a brilliant and noteworthy series of posts - inna Feb 2012 #136

+100 for this response. Thanks for sharing your awareness.... midnight Feb 2012 #139

'Awareness' of that which he cannot support The Doctor. Feb 2012 #144

There was a time when the Constitution was the Supreme Law of the Land. truedelphi Feb 2012 #135

Also, now the neanderathal Repubs will say "Look how evil democrat_patriot Feb 2012 #10

good thought OKNancy Feb 2012 #19

I'd like to think so, but republicans aren't known for being reasonable. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #26

Good point loyalsister Feb 2012 #66

Unfortunately, it won't work that way. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #87

BINGO MidwestTransplant Feb 2012 #29

Yep it's that simple n/t malaise Feb 2012 #31

exactly, too bad Russ didn't have the same eye on victory. grantcart Feb 2012 #46

Why won't he run against Walker? What are his plans? nt onehandle Feb 2012 #2

He's supposed to have been Law Professor-ing and ... Myrina Feb 2012 #43

principle is great and all qazplm Feb 2012 #5

Super (pac) DITTO! SoapBox Feb 2012 #23

I love Russ and miss him dearly, but I think he's a bit naive on this subject... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #6

Citizens United Big Tent Feb 2012 #17

We need to negotiate a truce, not unilaterally disarm. pnwmom Feb 2012 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author SaintPete Feb 2012 #9

Sorry Russ, you are on your own on this one. Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #11

Sorry, Russ. Suggesting Obama unilaterally disarm is absurd. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #12

Yes. Gun to a gun-fight. FredStembottom Feb 2012 #13

I like Russ more than I like Obama but he's not right here.... vi5 Feb 2012 #15

Sorry Russ, I disagree. BHO has to win another four years to give us a chance... Scuba Feb 2012 #16

How dare President Obama use the law created by the McCain-Feingold bill, complains Feingold! n/t Ian David Feb 2012 #20

Feingold Robbins Feb 2012 #21

I agree with Russ. And he's also soooooo wrong on this one. tpsbmam Feb 2012 #25

When does it end? The same arguments were made when special interest money started flooding groovedaddy Feb 2012 #27

On the other side, if we don't win, it sets the stage for stacking the deck. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #34

"corrupt the system so thoroughly" - I think we're already there. I'm not sure that we have to groovedaddy Feb 2012 #45

That, I believe is a wonderful point. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #155

Sorry, Russ, I see it as simply recognizing the law and the current playing field, elleng Feb 2012 #28

Why is it we only hear what Feingold has to say when he bashes Obama? JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #30

I rather suspect it has to do with our corporate media. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #37

Russ isn't bashing Obama. He's disagreeing with him. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #38

President Obama ProSense Feb 2012 #33

Is Feingold Inconveniently Right? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #36

They're both right!!Russ is right that it will lead to a legalized Abramoff system & the President's Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #39

The Conservatives are freaking out! UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #40

yeah, arm one group with guns and the other groups says "we'll use sticks"...ah..no Russ..nt Demonaut Feb 2012 #41

Quelle surprise! Beacool Feb 2012 #42

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #44

Of course Democrats are glad that McCain lost. Beacool Feb 2012 #47

If the D super pacs can out-raise the R super pacs, the Rs will go running to the SCOTUS stopbush Feb 2012 #48

Russ, you lost a long time senate seat in a blue state Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #49

A winner does what a loser won't and President Obama is a winner graham4anything Feb 2012 #51

I can hope Super PACs will be just as bad, just as painful to the Republicans and they will also RickFromMN Feb 2012 #53

The President has to do what he has to do to survive until WE get strong enough to make patrice Feb 2012 #54

I love Russ Feingold, but he's wrong here. boxman15 Feb 2012 #59

why would Obama want a liberal Congress? He's not a liberal. provis99 Feb 2012 #70

That is WHO the White House campaigned for in the 2010 Democratic Primaries. bvar22 Feb 2012 #132

The only way to defeat SuperPacs is to show that they do not give the GOP an edge. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #60

i think the unions will be a big force in this election cycle madrchsod Feb 2012 #65

Russ Feingold is right on this topic.... midnight Feb 2012 #61

He is the only one who lives by his own principles. undeterred Feb 2012 #90

because of citizens united the unions can do the same as corporations... madrchsod Feb 2012 #64

As long as he pushes to eliminate the system in future elections, Obama is right. Kablooie Feb 2012 #77

He has not shown any inclination in that direction. woo me with science Feb 2012 #109

I really like Russ Hutzpa Feb 2012 #79

I understand Russ, and support him. bvar22 Feb 2012 #80

The DLC is gone. Get the heck over it. You have to compete against the big Puke money. Get real. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #106

The DLC is not "gone". bvar22 Feb 2012 #108

bvar22... woo me with science Feb 2012 #110

I will offer one DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #129

I love that Paul Wellstone quote..... He sure had his finger on the pulse of where this race to the midnight Feb 2012 #140

No it is SMART. Until we can reverse Citizens United, we need an even playing field. Feingold, you RBInMaine Feb 2012 #105

Russ Feingold's voice in the Senate is sorely missed fujiyama Feb 2012 #113

Yeah, I miss Feingold also. Sad that he's lost. truedelphi Feb 2012 #133

This would have been so much more effective from the Senate floor. Oh, right. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #122

I love Russ too and miss him Worried senior Feb 2012 #127

And what do we have now grantcart Feb 2012 #130