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MADem

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44. Post the videos, then--let's have a look. I haven't seen them.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jun 2013

And the "babies out of incubators" thing was a GHWB concept.

I do believe that Saddam's RGs DID film their exploits. I've seen plenty of film on the Iran Iraq war, and it would not surprise me if there is film of those attacks. The point I am making is that there doesn't have to be a great big cloud, coming at you from miles away, high and wide, to poison people. It can be a much more intimate process. Many chemical weapons are invisible.

Look at the order that this situation was revealed, here. It was the socialist French, followed by the UK, who first raised the alarm about this--NOT the USA.

The USA has been dragging their feet on getting involved in Syria--which is why they didn't just say "Oh, OK, French, we'll take your word for it."

The USA, in fact, didn't take the French word, or the British word--they went and got their own samples. And, boom goes the dynamite, three times the charm.

Look, even Morsi of Egypt--the Muslim Brotherhood leader and hardly Obama's "BFF"--is calling for a no-fly zone. So's Jordan (and the young king has had his differences with USA, so it's not like they're touting "our" POV). You know the Saudis want this shit rolled up as quickly as possible. This is a proxy war, and it's an Arab - Iranian one, with Sunni-Shi'a overtones. The Arabs are quite annoyed with Assad for coloring outside the lines, and they just aren't having it. Even the non-Arab Turks, who have managed to make friends in the area from their perch above the fray, aren't having this without complaint--after all, they end up with the refugees and the hassle, and wars have a way of spilling over borders.

Arabs like stability, more than anything, and they like countries that have strong leadership, consensus-based problem solving (even if the consensus is amongst elites) and few surprises. Basher is no Hafiz al-Assad; his father knew how to play the carrot/stick game AND keep his Arab neighbors in his corner, but the son has absolutely no clue, and has lacked one for a long time. Plus, he's ruthless. He makes his dad look like a pussycat.

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Humanitarian values? DeSwiss Jun 2013 #1
I find myself agreeing with Putin flamingdem Jun 2013 #2
I totally agree newfie11 Jun 2013 #12
That's because Putin has an interest in seeing US influence in the area wane...and if Iran wants to MADem Jun 2013 #24
Well of course that's what Vlad would say. One nitwit desecrates a corpse and he MADem Jun 2013 #3
I'm not clear about motive here flamingdem Jun 2013 #4
It's because regional actors are getting sick of Iran's interference. MADem Jun 2013 #26
What about Saudia Arabia's interference? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #33
the French went into Mali and kicked out some attackers they held up paperwork the attackers left. Sunlei Jun 2013 #59
How is there cell footage heart eating but none of chemical weapons? Ash_F Jun 2013 #6
Everyone gets sick and dies, maybe? Too busy running away to take out a camera MADem Jun 2013 #23
You read that there were blood samples Ash_F Jun 2013 #36
Well, that video is of tests on animals, for training purposes, to MADem Jun 2013 #42
However is deployed, it needs to be aerosolized. Which is extremely visible. Ash_F Jun 2013 #43
Post the videos, then--let's have a look. I haven't seen them. MADem Jun 2013 #44
If that's what it takes to convince you Ash_F Jun 2013 #49
There was no "rush to judgment" here. MADem Jun 2013 #53
And you need CONCENTRATION happyslug Jun 2013 #54
They haven't killed that many people, according to reports. MADem Jun 2013 #56
"One nitwit desecrates a corpse..." KansDem Jun 2013 #28
They aren't munching on organs. MADem Jun 2013 #29
That brings up an interesting thought. Ash_F Jun 2013 #39
I think there has been brutality down the ages. That said, there MADem Jun 2013 #41
Oh, btw it was a lung. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #37
Well, I only saw the "blurred" video, and it looked rather MADem Jun 2013 #38
Well, he got his point across anyway. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #40
cannibalism is surprisingly common quadrature Jun 2013 #5
Well, in that case, cary on! Socal31 Jun 2013 #8
Same in the US Military. Cannibalism is rampant Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #18
Lost on this crowd. Throckmorton Jun 2013 #19
And don't even get me started on the RAF... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #20
Some of my best friends are lumberjacks, and only a FEW of them are transvestites Clouseau2 Jun 2013 #35
Good Lord! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #7
David Cameron, John2 Jun 2013 #9
What bothers me is the WMD, it's Iraq 2.0 flamingdem Jun 2013 #10
I think Israel is John2 Jun 2013 #13
MORSI has called for Assad to go....so Israel, Jordan and Egypt are all on the same page right now MADem Jun 2013 #25
America eats its own. Shouldn't be surprising we identify with those of a similar mindset. nt Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #11
This coming from a man whose country watched Jews getting destroyed in Warsaw, carved up Poland Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #14
They also stopped the Nazis Bonobo Jun 2013 #15
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Third Tier country John2 Jun 2013 #17
it does take a genius to spell genious correctly, though Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #22
No, but at least John2 Jun 2013 #45
Mistake done on purpose, Mr. Snarky. Welcome to the Pit. Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #55
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Syrian rebels are armed to the teeth! Renew Deal Jun 2013 #21
Some potential Duzys on this thread flamingdem Jun 2013 #34
Especially when it is Nanjing to Seoul John2 Jun 2013 #47
We are not arming the rebels. AngryAmish Jun 2013 #30
oy vey flamingdem Jun 2013 #31
they may be radical fundamentalist cannibals, but they are OUR radical fundamentalist cannibals yurbud Jun 2013 #46
They are McCain's John2 Jun 2013 #48
any leader who throws an oligarch in prison can't be all bad. yurbud Jun 2013 #57
I agree it is fucked up Marrah_G Jun 2013 #50
Anyone else find it weird that we rastaone Jun 2013 #51
Hypocrites! ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #52
OMG the rebels are eating russias *WW2 junk buyers* customers Sunlei Jun 2013 #58
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