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19. Of course he will. Because he's already said that he could never live in a country

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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:43 PM

Jun 2013

without civil liberties. And China is so much freer than the U.S.

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Breaking: U.S. Charges Snowden with Espionage [View all] Hissyspit Jun 2013 OP

How do you always manage? Beat me to it I mean? Rec'd Catherina Jun 2013 #1

+1. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #16

Not charged with treason, but espionage. JimDandy Jun 2013 #77

You be right! With the sliver of the devil's hairstrand. Catherina Jun 2013 #80

He hasn't provided any proof that the NSA has "been seizing ALL American's communication data." pnwmom Jun 2013 #120

Seems like an open and shut case Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #2

Good thing we brought torturers to such swift justice. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #3

No...it's not a good thing. They should have been brought to justice Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #6

Of course you do. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13

I don't want to fight with you Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #28

Maybe he didn't break the law. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #35

That makes no sense Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #59

They were two separate statements. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #63

Disclosing classified information doesn't = espionage. JW2020 Jun 2013 #4

This is a sealed criminal complaint. So I don't know what they charged him with, but... Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #7

Sealed complaint. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #14

Correct Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #32

I know that. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #45

Cool Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #47

I WAS RIGHT!!! It is United States Code Section 793(d) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #69

Semantics? Martak Sarno Jun 2013 #51

See here --->>> Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #71

Depends what he disclosed and to who. nt cstanleytech Jun 2013 #26

Incorrect JW2020 Jun 2013 #30

I guess the American public is the enemy who is now in possession of these secrets. dkf Jun 2013 #34

I'm sure the blanket "detention" warrants will be coming for the general populace villager Jun 2013 #41

Exactly right fasttense Jun 2013 #98

No, you are incorrect as it actually does depend or are you saying its ok if he disclosed to China cstanleytech Jun 2013 #37

LOL. That's propaganda. Disclosed to China? Yeah, right. Th1onein Jun 2013 #58

Snowden turned over documents to the South China Morning Post... Galraedia Jun 2013 #79

Has he admitted to this, or is it just a charge? Th1onein Jun 2013 #105

I believe cynzke Jun 2013 #124

How..............interesting. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #81

"to any person not entitled to receive it" William Seger Jun 2013 #94

Disclosing to "the American People" isn't really protected bhikkhu Jun 2013 #114

It may not be protected but it isn't espionage JW2020 Jun 2013 #115

Its ten years in jail, whatever term one wants to use bhikkhu Jun 2013 #116

Well that's the gist of this! cynzke Jun 2013 #122

Yep. They did get him with United States Code Section 793(d) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #70

He did much more than 'disclose' information. He STOLE classified government documents. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #92

B-S! Nothing learned they didn't already know - hardly a secret askeptic Jun 2013 #104

Considering Snowden stole over 1,000 classified documents... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #117

So What! cynzke Jun 2013 #125

If the US puts overt pressure on HK, Snowden will simply take the ferry to the Mainland. leveymg Jun 2013 #5

Serves us right then. BlueStater Jun 2013 #9

I'm sure that's how most of the world sees this. Falling Empire Follies. leveymg Jun 2013 #12

Of course he will. Because he's already said that he could never live in a country pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

The irony isn't lost on anyone. eom leveymg Jun 2013 #33

He'll be treated well I expect. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #76

Better buy my camera quick... rsmith6621 Jun 2013 #31

He should've quit while he was ahead. Galraedia Jun 2013 #8

Surprise surprise Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #10

Being charged doesn't mean you are guilty of something. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #20

Then he should have no problem turning himself in Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #39

Or maybe he's not an idiot. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #42

He might not want to turn himself in because he is afraid he will not get a fair totodeinhere Jun 2013 #56

Innocent until proven guilty Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #61

Do you really believe that "innocent until proven guilty" would be applied to him? totodeinhere Jun 2013 #64

With the world watching? Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #66

The world is watching Bradley Manning too but that hasn't stopped his abuse. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #72

Because in the American Justice system, only the truly guilty are ever convicted? markpkessinger Jun 2013 #62

Most of the time yes Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #65

The sheeple must NOT be informed. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #22

I guess he is my spy then. Sad. dkf Jun 2013 #36

Cue the exploding heads in 4 ... 3... 2... 1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #11

Why? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #17

Cancel the exploding heads! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #24

My guess had been that he would be charged with espionage Tx4obama Jun 2013 #38

Again... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #44

I think perhaps some folks expected the Obama admin to ignore the law like the Bush admin did Tx4obama Jun 2013 #48

They could have just moved forward. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #50

oh snap! frylock Jun 2013 #57

I wish you could rec posts on this forum. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #95

Traitor to some. Hero to others. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #15

Yeah Hero to China PatrynXX Jun 2013 #21

I wonder if you have reflected why you are so reflexively "o.k." with your 4th Amendment Rights... NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #87

Yes - He Did Us All A Favor By Unmasking The Surveillance State In Such A Public Manner - Kudos cantbeserious Jun 2013 #68

+1 snappyturtle Jun 2013 #82

Bout time.... PatrynXX Jun 2013 #18

Nope. BushCo is Too Big To Jail. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #23

Friday night news dump. That's pretty slick of Obama. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #25

All part of Hope & Change, and not being like his predecessor! villager Jun 2013 #40

Actually the complaint was filed with the Court a week ago on June 14th. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #93

likely to be regarded as a hero by our allies since his "espionage" benefited them carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #27

Article excerpt from yesterday, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #29

About freakin' time. railsback Jun 2013 #43

Seems appropriate to me. DCBob Jun 2013 #46

"Moving forward" is apparently an option. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #53

meanwhile those who murder using drones go uncharged nt msongs Jun 2013 #49

Implying that President Obama is a murderer is disgusting. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #55

Your alert failed. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #67

I have not sent any alerts on any OPs or comments today, so... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #74

OK, assumed you alerted the drone post. My bad. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #75

Nope not me. A few months ago ... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #84

I think the new Jury System is a joke. I have.... Logical Jun 2013 #86

Apparently the jury did not think that the posts were that horrible. Democracy can be messy totodeinhere Jun 2013 #118

What is your euphemism for it? n/t xocet Jun 2013 #106

meanwhile those who out cia operative during war time get a pass leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #107

Thank God. That's great news, I think. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #52

I hope that someone comes forward and offers him asylum. Obviously if totodeinhere Jun 2013 #54

I don't think a fair trial will help him. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #73

I have no doubt he'll get asylum somewhere davidpdx Jun 2013 #96

now Americans will never know details, the case will be 'pending' for decades. Sunlei Jun 2013 #60

But first they're going to finish jailing all of the corrupt Wall Streeters who nearly wrecked the Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #78

Well, no reason left not to dump everything he has into the public sphere at this point DJ13 Jun 2013 #83

I thought he charged the US with espionage? olddad56 Jun 2013 #85

it's legal when they do it carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #99

Not surprised. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #88

The biggest spies of all time are charging Snowden with spying. What else needs to be said? n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #89

Anybody care to explain why he shouldn't be charged with espionage alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #90

Because he's Edward Fricken Snowden gawd dammit Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #91

Care to explain why Dick Cheney shouldn't be charged? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #97

Dick Cheney should have been charged with numerous crimes alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #101

So the law shouldn't be applied equally? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #102

Do we end all valid criminal proceedings until Cheney is indicted? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #108

No, just the politically motivated ones. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #110

Nothing politically motivated about going after Snowden hack89 Jun 2013 #111

And no Democrats would fail to impeach Bush and Cheney for unconstitutional acts Hissyspit Jun 2013 #112

Snowden is not a whistleblower hack89 Jun 2013 #113

That is the crux of the issue, isn't it. berni_mccoy Jun 2013 #126

He did nothing illegal. I love weed Jun 2013 #100

So true, Edward Snowden is exposing illegal spying against the American people cpwm17 Jun 2013 #121

He leaked classified information to foreign governments, so yes, he did. phleshdef Jun 2013 #123

He should not be charged by a corrupt system that will not afford him a fair trial. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #119

All we've seen so far is part of a slide show, an interview, a court order, and naming programs.. Sancho Jun 2013 #103

They may be trying to drive him into hiding so he'll shut up! askeptic Jun 2013 #109