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cynzke

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124. I believe

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:51 PM

Jun 2013

the info came from a Hong Kong newspaper. The Chinese do hack our computers and they have admitted they do. And whether we approve or disapprove of the US spying on China, it has no legal baring on charges of espionage. If you share classified documents with a foreign government that is considered espionage no matter if you think the US was wrong.

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Breaking: U.S. Charges Snowden with Espionage [View all] Hissyspit Jun 2013 OP

How do you always manage? Beat me to it I mean? Rec'd Catherina Jun 2013 #1

+1. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #16

Not charged with treason, but espionage. JimDandy Jun 2013 #77

You be right! With the sliver of the devil's hairstrand. Catherina Jun 2013 #80

He hasn't provided any proof that the NSA has "been seizing ALL American's communication data." pnwmom Jun 2013 #120

Seems like an open and shut case Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #2

Good thing we brought torturers to such swift justice. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #3

No...it's not a good thing. They should have been brought to justice Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #6

Of course you do. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13

I don't want to fight with you Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #28

Maybe he didn't break the law. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #35

That makes no sense Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #59

They were two separate statements. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #63

Disclosing classified information doesn't = espionage. JW2020 Jun 2013 #4

This is a sealed criminal complaint. So I don't know what they charged him with, but... Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #7

Sealed complaint. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #14

Correct Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #32

I know that. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #45

Cool Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #47

I WAS RIGHT!!! It is United States Code Section 793(d) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #69

Semantics? Martak Sarno Jun 2013 #51

See here --->>> Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #71

Depends what he disclosed and to who. nt cstanleytech Jun 2013 #26

Incorrect JW2020 Jun 2013 #30

I guess the American public is the enemy who is now in possession of these secrets. dkf Jun 2013 #34

I'm sure the blanket "detention" warrants will be coming for the general populace villager Jun 2013 #41

Exactly right fasttense Jun 2013 #98

No, you are incorrect as it actually does depend or are you saying its ok if he disclosed to China cstanleytech Jun 2013 #37

LOL. That's propaganda. Disclosed to China? Yeah, right. Th1onein Jun 2013 #58

Snowden turned over documents to the South China Morning Post... Galraedia Jun 2013 #79

Has he admitted to this, or is it just a charge? Th1onein Jun 2013 #105

I believe cynzke Jun 2013 #124

How..............interesting. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #81

"to any person not entitled to receive it" William Seger Jun 2013 #94

Disclosing to "the American People" isn't really protected bhikkhu Jun 2013 #114

It may not be protected but it isn't espionage JW2020 Jun 2013 #115

Its ten years in jail, whatever term one wants to use bhikkhu Jun 2013 #116

Well that's the gist of this! cynzke Jun 2013 #122

Yep. They did get him with United States Code Section 793(d) Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #70

He did much more than 'disclose' information. He STOLE classified government documents. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #92

B-S! Nothing learned they didn't already know - hardly a secret askeptic Jun 2013 #104

Considering Snowden stole over 1,000 classified documents... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #117

So What! cynzke Jun 2013 #125

If the US puts overt pressure on HK, Snowden will simply take the ferry to the Mainland. leveymg Jun 2013 #5

Serves us right then. BlueStater Jun 2013 #9

I'm sure that's how most of the world sees this. Falling Empire Follies. leveymg Jun 2013 #12

Of course he will. Because he's already said that he could never live in a country pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

The irony isn't lost on anyone. eom leveymg Jun 2013 #33

He'll be treated well I expect. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #76

Better buy my camera quick... rsmith6621 Jun 2013 #31

He should've quit while he was ahead. Galraedia Jun 2013 #8

Surprise surprise Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #10

Being charged doesn't mean you are guilty of something. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #20

Then he should have no problem turning himself in Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #39

Or maybe he's not an idiot. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #42

He might not want to turn himself in because he is afraid he will not get a fair totodeinhere Jun 2013 #56

Innocent until proven guilty Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #61

Do you really believe that "innocent until proven guilty" would be applied to him? totodeinhere Jun 2013 #64

With the world watching? Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #66

The world is watching Bradley Manning too but that hasn't stopped his abuse. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #72

Because in the American Justice system, only the truly guilty are ever convicted? markpkessinger Jun 2013 #62

Most of the time yes Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #65

The sheeple must NOT be informed. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #22

I guess he is my spy then. Sad. dkf Jun 2013 #36

Cue the exploding heads in 4 ... 3... 2... 1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #11

Why? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #17

Cancel the exploding heads! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #24

My guess had been that he would be charged with espionage Tx4obama Jun 2013 #38

Again... Hissyspit Jun 2013 #44

I think perhaps some folks expected the Obama admin to ignore the law like the Bush admin did Tx4obama Jun 2013 #48

They could have just moved forward. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #50

oh snap! frylock Jun 2013 #57

I wish you could rec posts on this forum. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #95

Traitor to some. Hero to others. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #15

Yeah Hero to China PatrynXX Jun 2013 #21

I wonder if you have reflected why you are so reflexively "o.k." with your 4th Amendment Rights... NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #87

Yes - He Did Us All A Favor By Unmasking The Surveillance State In Such A Public Manner - Kudos cantbeserious Jun 2013 #68

+1 snappyturtle Jun 2013 #82

Bout time.... PatrynXX Jun 2013 #18

Nope. BushCo is Too Big To Jail. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #23

Friday night news dump. That's pretty slick of Obama. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #25

All part of Hope & Change, and not being like his predecessor! villager Jun 2013 #40

Actually the complaint was filed with the Court a week ago on June 14th. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #93

likely to be regarded as a hero by our allies since his "espionage" benefited them carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #27

Article excerpt from yesterday, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #29

About freakin' time. railsback Jun 2013 #43

Seems appropriate to me. DCBob Jun 2013 #46

"Moving forward" is apparently an option. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #53

meanwhile those who murder using drones go uncharged nt msongs Jun 2013 #49

Implying that President Obama is a murderer is disgusting. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #55

Your alert failed. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #67

I have not sent any alerts on any OPs or comments today, so... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #74

OK, assumed you alerted the drone post. My bad. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #75

Nope not me. A few months ago ... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #84

I think the new Jury System is a joke. I have.... Logical Jun 2013 #86

Apparently the jury did not think that the posts were that horrible. Democracy can be messy totodeinhere Jun 2013 #118

What is your euphemism for it? n/t xocet Jun 2013 #106

meanwhile those who out cia operative during war time get a pass leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #107

Thank God. That's great news, I think. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #52

I hope that someone comes forward and offers him asylum. Obviously if totodeinhere Jun 2013 #54

I don't think a fair trial will help him. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #73

I have no doubt he'll get asylum somewhere davidpdx Jun 2013 #96

now Americans will never know details, the case will be 'pending' for decades. Sunlei Jun 2013 #60

But first they're going to finish jailing all of the corrupt Wall Streeters who nearly wrecked the Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #78

Well, no reason left not to dump everything he has into the public sphere at this point DJ13 Jun 2013 #83

I thought he charged the US with espionage? olddad56 Jun 2013 #85

it's legal when they do it carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #99

Not surprised. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #88

The biggest spies of all time are charging Snowden with spying. What else needs to be said? n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #89

Anybody care to explain why he shouldn't be charged with espionage alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #90

Because he's Edward Fricken Snowden gawd dammit Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #91

Care to explain why Dick Cheney shouldn't be charged? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #97

Dick Cheney should have been charged with numerous crimes alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #101

So the law shouldn't be applied equally? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #102

Do we end all valid criminal proceedings until Cheney is indicted? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #108

No, just the politically motivated ones. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #110

Nothing politically motivated about going after Snowden hack89 Jun 2013 #111

And no Democrats would fail to impeach Bush and Cheney for unconstitutional acts Hissyspit Jun 2013 #112

Snowden is not a whistleblower hack89 Jun 2013 #113

That is the crux of the issue, isn't it. berni_mccoy Jun 2013 #126

He did nothing illegal. I love weed Jun 2013 #100

So true, Edward Snowden is exposing illegal spying against the American people cpwm17 Jun 2013 #121

He leaked classified information to foreign governments, so yes, he did. phleshdef Jun 2013 #123

He should not be charged by a corrupt system that will not afford him a fair trial. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #119

All we've seen so far is part of a slide show, an interview, a court order, and naming programs.. Sancho Jun 2013 #103

They may be trying to drive him into hiding so he'll shut up! askeptic Jun 2013 #109