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MADem

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57. Really?

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:52 PM

Jun 2013

Why is it, then, that when I go to London or Rome, I can't walk into any shop and find bootleg DVDs like I can in Hong Kong? Or software? Or designer goods? Or even fake prescription medicines filled with highway paint and melamine?

Your last paragraph is instructive of your actual views--if it's a free for all, then people who get caught are not heroes, but instead just minor casualties of the process in this big game of Everybody's Doing It.

In which case, why do you vilify the USA, and not call China out as well?

People who play the game know the risks. A few moments of thrill, a few moments of pleasure, a few moments of fame...and a big risk of jail time, all to be a cartoonish, simplified hero to people hunched over keyboards who don't live in the real world.

Boo hoo for Eddie, then, unless his "team" can save him.

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They answer to PRC, though. They are as "independent" as Beijing ALLOWS them to be. MADem Jun 2013 #21

If they were limiting this to targetting the PRC, it would be much smaller, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #31

I agree that we have been pennywise and pound foolish regarding our IT hiring. MADem Jun 2013 #45

Being bored in high school is no excuse. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #48

Who will do the divine intervention on Unit 61398, I wonder? MADem Jun 2013 #49

We would be more effective in shutting it down if we were not doing massive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #51

I doubt that. We're pikers compared to them. MADem Jun 2013 #58

And they probably target people like Snowden. They no doubt JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59

Church is still out on that theory, but I wouldn't be shocked if that turned out to be the case. MADem Jun 2013 #60

I agree. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #61

I am not surprised about the metadata, actually. MADem Jun 2013 #62

I understand and appreciate the concern about Chinese hacking of our JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23

Agreed marions ghost Jun 2013 #32

That is a mighty interesting choice of words. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3

I thought this part especially 'good' azurnoir Jun 2013 #4

That's exactly what our govt. is telling Hong Kong. premium Jun 2013 #6

Rule of law. Rule of law?? This administration talks about the rule of law???... truth2power Jun 2013 #7

The WH appealing to the "rule of law" at this point is laughable. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #8

The program itself chills our fundamental rights and is therefore JDPriestly Jun 2013 #19

That's pretty much my take as well 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #28

thanks for that marions ghost Jun 2013 #33

What else would you expect? Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #10

"following in the footsteps" dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #24

American values: "We expect" Obama to grant a pardon and curtail spying on citizens. PSPS Jun 2013 #11

Snowden is not the story,. the info. he released is. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #12

Sometimes we don't get what we expect. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #13

"Hong Kong has been a historically good partner of the United States Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #16

+1000, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #20

And they're supposed to be the Good Guys in this equation? MADem Jun 2013 #22

Re: Hong Kong & China want to show ... mallard Jun 2013 #25

Little late. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #26

So they did indeed mallard Jun 2013 #27

Hong Kong and China just shook off that pesky gum stuck to their shoe! MADem Jun 2013 #29

yawn marions ghost Jun 2013 #34

Unit 61398, that's who. nt MADem Jun 2013 #42

Oh gosh marions ghost Jun 2013 #44

You're not coming from a place of understanding. Have a nice day. nt MADem Jun 2013 #46

You have not made a good case for your POV marions ghost Jun 2013 #47

That's your view and you're certainly entitled to it. MADem Jun 2013 #50

The NSA is watching so I guess you're right, I should shut up marions ghost Jun 2013 #52

You might do well to not take online discussions so personally. MADem Jun 2013 #54

OK well I guess since You're sure the NSA doesn't care about me marions ghost Jun 2013 #55

Good move. nt MADem Jun 2013 #56

They aided and abetted his escape. MADem Jun 2013 #39

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Really? MADem Jun 2013 #57

No I DO NOT believe it should be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #63

Well, given that NO one--not them, not us--is going to "stop doing it" this sounds like a free for MADem Jun 2013 #64

You're probably right that it is, was and always will be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #65

Well, it's not our problem, really--it's our educational opportunity. MADem Jun 2013 #66

There aren't any good guys. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #37

Really? MADem Jun 2013 #38

White House just got burned! morningfog Jun 2013 #40

That's funny. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #43