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6. So this was all a pre-planned gig

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:59 PM

Jun 2013

I seriously doubt he was banking on cooperation from countries like China and Russia out of the goodness of their hearts, though. Detailed information on programs, like actually programming codes, would be a golden ticket.

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Snowden Says He Took Job With Contractor To Collect Evidence Of NSA Programs [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

This sounds like it was his intent and the cause group should start looking over their shoulder. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #1

How About The US Government Intentionally Gutting The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jun 2013 #2

What proof do you base your claim? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #8

The News cantbeserious Jun 2013 #11

This may be reported in the news sources you read but since the NSA is operating under the Fourth Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #13

The puroported procedure the NSA followed is not Constitutional. The Stranger Jun 2013 #25

Where did you get your information of the procedure? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #26

Is there some reason to doubt my information of the procedure? The Stranger Jun 2013 #32

That wasn't the question, where did you get the information? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #33

The only reason to doubt you I'd because you have no proof. HeroInAHalfShell Jun 2013 #143

What court made that decision? gholtron Jun 2013 #34

has the Supreme Court ruled so? karynnj Jun 2013 #108

It hasn't yet come before the Supreme Court. The Stranger Jun 2013 #147

It Is Not My Responsibilty To Be Your Fact Checker cantbeserious Jun 2013 #44

+ + That's a good response to those who want to highjack threads about our civil rights. byeya Jun 2013 #63

This thread's about Snowden's admission. Trying to make it about civil rights is a hijack. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #81

If a poster is hijacking in order to complain about hijacks jeff47 Jun 2013 #85

He doesn't have to explain his point. It's not a thread hijack, it's an expression of difference leveymg Jun 2013 #88

You should probably go back and actually read the posts. jeff47 Jun 2013 #91

The same thought has occurred to me. It's not absurd or OT, certainly not a thread hijack leveymg Jun 2013 #95

A warrant with the US Census stapled to it. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #131

Pretty sure it was a subpoena, not a warrant n/t brett_jv Jun 2013 #136

Because they didn't file for 300 or so million search warrants? MyNameGoesHere Jun 2013 #121

Thinkingabout, I think you may as well be talking to the wall...but thanks for trying. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #125

Again with this nonsense. DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #64

The public did not "know" that NSA was obtaining phone and email records on everyone. Not nonsense. leveymg Jun 2013 #83

The public knew about the phone records karynnj Jun 2013 #110

After being lied to repeatedly, hard to believe anything they say askeptic Jun 2013 #112

Obama was a Senator then karynnj Jun 2013 #115

And neocons and conservatives and liberals with questionable views on spying on their own.... think Jun 2013 #3

Wow, spying by those with questionable views, seems this is what Snowden has done and thus he is Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #9

Does the fact that the FISA courts have already ruled that the NSA violated the 4th amendment count? think Jun 2013 #28

I see no such admission there. DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #65

I did misspeak. The NSA director only PERMITTED our US Senator to tell us think Jun 2013 #82

Was Snowden recently hiding that this was his "intent"? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #87

I have no problem with that. Autumn Jun 2013 #4

problem kardonb Jun 2013 #7

It's a discussion that needs to be had. He brought it out. Autumn Jun 2013 #10

Oh please. This is old news. gholtron Jun 2013 #31

How do the courts decide christx30 Jun 2013 #37

I'm convinced this is abusive - 4th Amendment doesn't allow fishing for evidence askeptic Jun 2013 #52

The FISA courts don't issue warrants for "fishing." DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #66

What? entire program is "fishing"! ...and if the fishing finds evidence, it goes to law enforcement askeptic Jun 2013 #90

Not conversations - phone records - ie time, origin, termination, duration. nt karynnj Jun 2013 #114

Big difference from phone records old bell system and gov't mining those records today askeptic Jun 2013 #132

So: Last tuesday, you made a call to an escort agency. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #133

If our names were included, I'd be inclined to agree it's pretty obviously contrary to the 4th brett_jv Jun 2013 #135

What if he did this during the Bush administration? lark Jun 2013 #12

Wait A Minute! cynzke Jun 2013 #46

Revealing how incompetent BoozAllen is is reason enough to give Snowden an award. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #78

I read the comments section at TPM. OKNancy Jun 2013 #5

I regularly read the comments sections of WaPo, NYT, HuffPo, Guardian etc. temmer Jun 2013 #14

so they're going with the cheney love instead? frylock Jun 2013 #119

TPM...and Josh are not what they started out to be...Josh has a Family now. KoKo Jun 2013 #120

So this was all a pre-planned gig railsback Jun 2013 #6

Bingo! cynzke Jun 2013 #47

It's important to keep easily distracted folks focused on the messenger, not the message askeptic Jun 2013 #15

Baloney! cynzke Jun 2013 #55

I think that's what they were saying when Bush was selling the Iraq War. railsback Jun 2013 #84

I foresee an unfortunate sharp_stick Jun 2013 #16

You may be right about that. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #41

the boy sure was busy in those three months madrchsod Jun 2013 #17

That clearance network worked out fine didn't it. Booze Allen needs to be called on this. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #126

Booz isn't very good at supervising employees treestar Jun 2013 #128

I agree, but one take it one step further davidpdx Jun 2013 #149

My experience with privatization treestar Jun 2013 #154

Yep davidpdx Jun 2013 #155

So? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #18

My guess - KT2000 Jun 2013 #20

Greenwald. n/t Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #23

So Greenwald outsmarted the entire US intelligence apparatus? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #24

Those who value security over liberty will have neither in the end game. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #42

No, Greenwald only thinks he outsmarted everybody. Cha Jun 2013 #56

Yeah, Greenwald screwed himself with that tweet Narkos Jun 2013 #62

What was he thinking?! Cha Jun 2013 #92

Big Ego, sheshe2 Jun 2013 #105

:( you got that right, she.. More Unraveling Update.. Cha Jun 2013 #107

Jayzuuus! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #111

I'm trying to read the updates before Cha Jun 2013 #113

Perhaps he's saying he was 'working with him' since February ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #137

Privatization of national security. What could go wrong? aquart Jun 2013 #72

So he is a traitor, and should be jailed. dbackjon Jun 2013 #19

. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #21

more correct title would be "NEWSPAPER says he said....." no proof he actually said that nt msongs Jun 2013 #22

Oh irony... tridim Jun 2013 #30

Isn't it a Chinese newspaper? Iliyah Jun 2013 #27

Not sure if it's exactly a 'Chinese' newspaper ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #36

Founded in 1903...a very good paper BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #57

We were there 1 year together ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #134

Yup...Class of '77 BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #142

The SHACK! Nice! brett_jv Jun 2013 #148

Too cool...I lived in Repulse Bay Towers, right behind the hotel BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #151

I know the complex you mean, we could see 'em from the back windows of our flat brett_jv Jun 2013 #152

LOL...I don't remember the popsicle guy BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #153

During the forties he would have been hanged for crap like this. He could have started WWIII. appleannie1 Jun 2013 #29

consequential whistleblowing temmer Jun 2013 #35

um.....no. jeff47 Jun 2013 #38

you don't know how much he knew when he joined Booz temmer Jun 2013 #43

Because seeking out information is not the same as stumbling across information jeff47 Jun 2013 #69

The irony dreamnightwind Jun 2013 #140

Seeking out information is the daily business of investigative journalists temmer Jun 2013 #141

The insinuation is somewhat misleading 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #39

Whelp, he just admitted to espionage. Wonder if he's about to drag down Greenwald too? jeff47 Jun 2013 #40

Headline is innaccurate. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #45

The headline is inaccurate, but when I read the passage you attached... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #48

Maybe he chose that job because he was interested in that line of work? Ash_F Jun 2013 #50

Or, it could be BOTH. I know quite a few people who work for the NSA... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #94

That explains a lot to me. I did not understand why a Libertarian would seek Government demgrrrll Jun 2013 #49

Lots of Libertarians seek Government employment. Witness Ron and Rand Paul... haele Jun 2013 #106

Good answer. Ron Paul would have been an awful OBGYN. Neither one seems to have an ounce of com demgrrrll Jun 2013 #116

Then he is admiting an agenda, in addition to spying still_one Jun 2013 #51

Confirms what he's always said - opposition to universal surveillance. He's not admitting spying. leveymg Jun 2013 #54

Sure he is. Going into a company to steal information still_one Jun 2013 #58

He didn't "steal" information - not theft. He converted classified documents to a private use. leveymg Jun 2013 #60

That is called corporate espionage at a minimum still_one Jun 2013 #61

Espionage is a legal term with a specific meaning. Corporate spying is a very different concept leveymg Jun 2013 #97

It is both corporate espionage, and national security espionage, in my view. still_one Jun 2013 #102

"He converted classified documents to a private use." That's called "stealing". baldguy Jun 2013 #123

Is he admitting to doing more than making general statements to Chinese newspapers? DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #68

Reporting that we are spying on Hong Kong and the g20 still_one Jun 2013 #71

Been in a coma for the last two weeks? jeff47 Jun 2013 #74

Isn't that called spying?... n/t EC Jun 2013 #53

Not necessarily. It's simply consistent with his personal mission to reveal NSA methods. leveymg Jun 2013 #59

One does not have to work for a foreign power to be a spy. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #70

Legally, that element is essential to a charge of Espionage. leveymg Jun 2013 #76

Nope. jeff47 Jun 2013 #80

That's even more difficult to prove than acting on behalf of a foreign power. Nobody has ever been leveymg Jun 2013 #86

What element would be difficult to prove? jeff47 Jun 2013 #89

Intent to harm the U.S. He'd pretty much have to admit it to establish that, and I don't. leveymg Jun 2013 #98

Law does not require intent to harm. jeff47 Jun 2013 #104

Intention is the heart of any mens rea offense. That certainly applies to Espionage. leveymg Jun 2013 #118

So you're back to ignoring the legal definition again? jeff47 Jun 2013 #145

Have you heard of no disclosure agreements? still_one Jun 2013 #73

That's violation of a contractual agreement, not Espionage. leveymg Jun 2013 #77

Do you know he did not receive compensation by an outside party for this? We will see in the course still_one Jun 2013 #103

Yep.. "Snowden is a Spy".. Cha Jun 2013 #67

You're using the term "spy" too loosely. See my comments immediately above. leveymg Jun 2013 #79

So has everyone who calls the metadata "spying on us." treestar Jun 2013 #127

Exactly ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #138

Only in the same sense that animal rights groups spy on factory farms. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #93

So, Marrah_G, carla Jun 2013 #99

I am very glad that those doing the spying got spied on. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #100

I think this can be filed under "no shit" shawn703 Jun 2013 #96

That is why he is a traitor. He got the job purposefully to steal information. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #101

Seems to me he used NSA's Methods to a "T" - is that what everyone's mad about? askeptic Jun 2013 #109

Spying on the Spy Masters usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #117

Tell me again how Snowden is a hero, and this isn't espionage. baldguy Jun 2013 #122

Rule #1 of spying on America: Don't give interviews bragging about it!!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #124

Well then ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #144

He broked the rulez. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #146

So a saboteur from the outset. moondust Jun 2013 #129

I've said from the beginning that I suspect he's in the employ of some very powerful people brett_jv Jun 2013 #139

Anybody know if the South China Morning Post is a reliable newspaper, as opposed to fishwrap? winter is coming Jun 2013 #130

No, no, we can't talk about intent. davidpdx Jun 2013 #150