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JDPriestly

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18. And, hopefully, more remedies will be pursued now that Snowden
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:32 PM
Jun 2013

has brought some of the secret documents to light. Maybe a court will actually consider a case. That would be a start.

We have to remain vigilant.

I remember a time when African-Americans in the South were treated like another species. It was horrible. And the infrastructure that economically disadvantaged African-Americans disadvantaged the entire South.

This kind of surveillance will, in time, deal a severe blow to creativity and communication in our society. It's wrong. It's detrimental to all Americans.

Since the end of WWII a tiny elite, the intelligence industry, has developed. That elite, and especially the tiny clique at the top of that elite, has an advantage in terms of knowledge, knowledge of the movements of others, of the words and thoughts and associations of others. The elite is not entirely concentrated in the government.

But the elite that is concentrated within the government has enormous power over our lives -- the power to investigate us, the power to make laws that we are likely to violate, the power to charge us with crimes, the power to collect evidence, the power to lie about us, the power to cheat us, the power to tax us, the power to kill us arbitrarily without trial -- almost as much power as God.

This elite, the one in the government (although some of the others are almost as bad) and in the government contractors has formed a cabal, an out-of-control, corrupt, fearful, controlling cabal in our government. The members of this cabal appoint each other, move in and out of the government and link private industry elites to the inner government elite. A good part of this cabal is centered in the NSA.

The NSA with its massive surveillance program and its influence on our military and foreign intelligence as well as domestic FBI is a rogue government within our government. It is incompatible with our democracy and downright dangerous to anyone it does not like.

Just a warning. Watch out. Because this cabal, this rogue government within our government is watching you. And it is going to develop and purchase more and more invasive technologies to be able to watch you more intensely and more pervasively.

I don't like it. Unfortunately, our courts and Congress are incapable of doing anything to protect us from that rogue government. The courts are unable to exceed the limits of the rules of their courts and the Constitution. And Congress is confused, full of its own cabals and cliques and not quick-witted enough to keep up with the rogue government in the NSA and other agencies, much less outsmart it.

So I don't see much hope. And the fact that so many people on DU defend the surveillance just makes me think that they are wanna' be or fantasy members of that cabal, of that elite, of that rogue government.

Yes, China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Yemen, Syria, Iran, etc. all these countries are worse than we are. But we are not living in those countries. We live here. Our country is our responsibility.

We need to stop fooling ourselves and figure out how to dismantle the rogue government.

Obama couldn't do it if he wanted to because he is all by himself.

It's up to us to forget the media and the propaganda and elect a government that looks out for our interests and not just those of the rich and powerful and of the rogue cabal/government. It starts with sweeping out of Congress of all those who are willing to compromise our rights. Unfortunately, Dianne Feinstein has just been re-elected. That was a sad day.

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That's cute...I wonder if freedom of assembly in Russia will come up BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #1
Look over there! wtmusic Jun 2013 #3
That quaint old right? That's way pre-9/11. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #7
Surveillance needs to be mediated by the courts and Congress BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #9
Ask Bimmey and a few others just how good those procedures worked nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10
And here we are talking about it, freely I might add BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #12
Dictablandas rely on maintaining the ilusion nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #13
And, hopefully, more remedies will be pursued now that Snowden JDPriestly Jun 2013 #18
I will confess to knee-jerk defense of the President on occasion BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #19
Whereas I do not blame Obama at all, at all, at all. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #22
Binney and other NSA whistleblowers were prosecuted. We aren't so free, are we? leveymg Jun 2013 #26
His father is talking about when he returns to the US.. monmouth3 Jun 2013 #2
You must be kidding. wtmusic Jun 2013 #4
How would he have applied for a visa to some country other than JDPriestly Jun 2013 #8
Oh sure, Comrade Eddie's not a flight risk. I'm sure any judge would grant him bail. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #20
I still think Breitbart and O'Keefe EC Jun 2013 #5
I think the social value to the situation is already pretty clear, just needs fine tuning. Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #6
"Assessment" would be better. Igel Jun 2013 #16
I think he means something like what we call "public interest". bemildred Jun 2013 #17
Perhaps one of them will have Snowden on board when they all fly home. nt ancianita Jun 2013 #11
Maybe, I'm inclined to doubt it. bemildred Jun 2013 #15
He probably is happy there, in Kaspersky land. There are those who might be holding him, as well, ancianita Jun 2013 #23
Well, you have to understand, the Russians don't care, they think this is funny. bemildred Jun 2013 #24
It has occurred to me that they're as good at snooping as any nation, and that whatever ancianita Jun 2013 #25
" . . .with human rights activists in Russian headquarters of the Public Chamber of Russia, . . " Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #14
+1000 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #21
This story is getting hilarious. Ecuadorean leakers to be prosecuted. Intermission: Ballerina. UTUSN Jun 2013 #27
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