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John2

(2,730 posts)
31. I don't think
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

the evidence is piling up against Zimmerman. The Prosecution has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and so far I don't think they are doing so. Zimmerman's excuse for killing Martin is self defense.

So far the prosecution hasn't been agressive enough in proving it wasn't self defense. The testimony from Good was damaging. He should have been a defense witness. I has been able to identify material facts, no other witness viewing the same fight in the dark with it raining, no other witness has been able to do. He even identified Zimmerman as the person calling help in the dark. He was able to identify Zimmerman's clothing and Trayvon's clothing in the Dark. He even identified both races in the Dark. He claimed he could see Trayvon beating Zimmerman MMA style. He saw all those details while all those other witnesses claimed it was too dark. Now he saw all this with one foot out his door and it was raining. He described it exactly the way Zimmerman described it. The prosecution never aggressively challenged him and put him on the stand. I would have challenged him because it was too precise given the lighting and the distance he was from the fighting. If the lighting was so good, why none of the others saw those details? Testimony can be too perfect. I thought his was too perfect. He is also an FSU Graduate. His whole trestimony made Martin the aggressor.

This is strange to me given the backgrounds of Martin and Zimmerman. Martin doesn't have anything in his background about trained MMA techniques but Zimmerman does. Martin was listed at 158 pounds and the medical person had Zimmerman at 204 pounds the next day. That is over 40 pounds heavier. Martin had to be a very strong kid to be able to throw this guy on the ground and dominate him. So Zimmerman is fighting for his life and hardly touches Martin? What was he doing in those classes? And Goodman talks as if Martin had the training. Zimmerman was just on his back helpless and crying help?

The Prosecution has not countered that. Zimmerman also has an excuse, that he quit pursuing Martin and Martin became the pursuer. The only person the prosecution had to counter that was Jenteal and they let the Defense cut her up on the stand without objecting much. If the Prosecution is going to prove their case, they better start. The Defense seems more aggressive and the Prosecution seems more passive.

I definitely would have challenged Goodman's assertion about seeing what he saw in the dark and weather conditions. I also wonder why the prosecution never questioned the police or first responder's about Zimmerman's truck and he never mentioned it when he was arrested. Who picked it up and moved it from its location? The police and prosecutors weren't too keen on prosecuting Zimmerman at the beginning. Then it became political. I understand the first detective to interview Goodman was removed from the case? He was the one determined there wasn't enough evidence in the case to prosecute Zimmerman. If the prosecution isn't more aggressive, Zimmerman will be found innocent. I just don't think they are doing a good job of proving their case. If they don't prove Martin did not turn back to go after Zimmerman after he stopped pursuing him,they will lose this case. Jenteal was the only evidence saying that didn't happen. The only evidence might can disprove it now, is who moved the truck?

And whatever happened to the police that was suppose to be arriving on Zimmerman's first 911 call? Did they ever get the message? I didn't hear the prosecution going into that. Weren't there rummors about witnesses claiming evidence was changed by some police before the case went to another prosecutor involving the Justice Department and the Governor of Florida?

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I keep wanting to hug her. I hope someone is. aquart Jun 2013 #1
I could understand her completely Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #3
I feel the same way! LeftofObama Jun 2013 #4
I keep hoping the jury realized it was bullying the witness, plain and simple and that it was appleannie1 Jun 2013 #24
Agreed. 1monster Jun 2013 #5
After the disastrous Rachel Jeantel testimony now my prediction swings from acquittal to Hung Jury. alp227 Jun 2013 #2
Disastrous? Not to my mind. aquart Jun 2013 #6
Only one side has presented witnesses dpibel Jun 2013 #8
In this trial, it feels like every witness has been a defense witness (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #30
In your mind, yes. Most people don't live there. nft. dpibel Jun 2013 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #9
I want to know why since Zimmy was trained in MMA, he keeps assuming it was TM who was doing that uppityperson Jun 2013 #7
He could only see downward movement of arms from the guy on top (Martin) Vattel Jun 2013 #10
how could the guy see anything as dark as it was? Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #11
So how do you explain Zimmerman's injuries? hack89 Jun 2013 #12
If Trayvon didn't have Zimmerman's DNA on him FunkyLeprechaun Jun 2013 #16
Ok - I doubt the prosecutor is going to run with that theory. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #18
if zimmerman's story is to be accepted.. frylock Jun 2013 #17
Because Trayvon lay exposed in the pouring rain for a while? hack89 Jun 2013 #19
tree branches? riverwalker Jun 2013 #22
That's a very good question! arcane1 Jun 2013 #26
Maybe the recoil of the gun caused the gun to smack GZ in the nose notadmblnd Jun 2013 #34
It is interesting that the prosecution hasn't made an issue of his wounds hack89 Jun 2013 #42
I still don't understand how Zimmy can be innocent of anything... WI_DEM Jun 2013 #13
exactly. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #15
If the shooter was black tblue Jun 2013 #28
Nope.....nt BronxBoy Jun 2013 #32
He's very articulate and precise. He is allowed to have discrepencies in his testimony. kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #14
Ouch. Sad but true. n/t VWolf Jun 2013 #20
Also, he's, you know... yardwork Jun 2013 #46
Defense now fighting medical reports riverwalker Jun 2013 #21
they were? gejohnston Jun 2013 #39
The medical records show that GZ took martial arts (MMA) for exercise!!! Sancho Jun 2013 #45
All defense needs to do Iliyah Jun 2013 #23
That would be true if the prosecution were trying to put doubt in the minds of jurors Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #27
It Seems Zimmerman Went To MMA Sessions 3 Days A Week DallasNE Jun 2013 #25
exactly riverwalker Jun 2013 #29
I don't think John2 Jun 2013 #31
We Agree On Some Things And Have A Different View On Other Things. DallasNE Jun 2013 #38
Actually no, Good said he saw who was who. gejohnston Jun 2013 #40
Mr. Good's testimony on the subject gejohnston Jun 2013 #33
OK, so the State has finished? how many witnesses quadrature Jun 2013 #35
I absolutely understand how she felt. elleng Jun 2013 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #41
If I start a fight in a bar, and the guy defends himself, and I kill him... mainer Jun 2013 #43
Residents of the condo association have a strong motivation to help Zimmerman's acquittal. yardwork Jun 2013 #44
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