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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
38. there IS something you can do,(not political)-make informed investments aimed at wealth preservation
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:53 AM
Feb 2012

All global fiat currencies are being utterly debased and destroyed right before your eyes. A modest 3.5% rate of annual true inflation (not the bullshite, hedonically adjusted and twisted number the Fed and other central banks spew out these days) will steal HALF your wealth in just 20 years, 75% of it in 40.

Throughout history, every single fiat currency has collapsed in a violent plummet. Every one. This time will be no different.

Even If you were ONLY buying into the teeth of the manic parabolic gold bubble of January/February 1980, you would have been in the black since 2007, if you were buying in 1977, 1978, and the first half of 1979 you were ALWAYS in the black, and if buying in 1982 to 1985 (and almost all of the rest of the 1980's), you were in the black from 2005 onwards. If you had been buying from the end of 1997 up until 2005, you would have seen huge profits of over 300 to 600 percent already, just in gold. Silver is even more dramatic in its rate of return, even with the recent pullbacks from $47/$49 an ounce to $34 an ounce.

Gold has increased by double digits as a percentage gained for the last 11 years in a row. Can you say the same of the NASDAQ? The Dow? The S&P? The US dollar? US Treasuries? The average US IRA? LOL! How about your paycheck? How about the value of the average American house?


I have been long gold AND silver since 1998 and 1999 (in physically-held, allocated non-bank secure vault accounts), when the US trashed the Glass–Steagall Act and legalized derivatives under the Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan troika. I have an average gain of over well over 350%, whilst the Dow is utterly stagnant when measured from from the tech bubble crash of early 2000 till now. In fact, it is off greatly, due to inflation, and many who were crushed in the stock crash of 2008-2009 pulled out, locking in huge losses that they could have somewhat recovered in the QE 1 and QE 2 and soon QE 3 induced bubbles. These bubbles, will, as all bubbles do, come to an end yet again. Check back with me in 3 or 5 years when those 350% figures in PM's are closing in on 1000+% profits.

In 1970, the average US car cost $3900 and took 114 ounces of gold to buy. In 2012, that same car is around $29,000 yet takes less than 17 ounces of gold to buy. Hello dollar debasement!

Also, I play FOREX markets (not for the light-hearted), I have holdings in dividend paying blue chip stocks (especially essential products, energy resources, certain medical/pharma firms (very picky on these, as I try to never invest in unethical companies), have savings accounts in several nations (Mongolia is currently paying 14% rate of return, all backed by the national government) and commodity based sectors as well such as ag and mining), and a global bond portfolio of national, local and state backed utilty and education issues (many of which are tax free zero coupon type), The USA has many great bond offerings, just check with a good reliable investment advisor.

This site has very informative podcasts:

http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour

http://www.puplava.com/ The head of Financial Sense's personal investment firm

as does this

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Broadcast.html


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storage options for PM's

http://solari.com/articles/Options_for_Storing_Precious_Metals/

This article summarizes some of the better-known custodial, vaulting, and digital gold arrangements available to individual investors in precious metals and provide a list of considerations for those interested in exploring these and other alternatives available to them

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BUYING OPTIONS (for Americans)

Gold Money - (highly recommend, one of the best options, IMHO) http://www.goldmoney.com/?gmrefcode=maxkeiser

http://www.sprottphysicalsilvertrust.com/ Eric Sprott's new trust, (he is the biggest individual silver investor in the world)

http://www.silverwheaton.com/ Silver Wheaton, the metals streaming firm (great business model, they're the biggest in the world) here is great interview with the CEO on Mp3 http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/big-picture/2011/03/05/02/peter-barnes/the-silver-wheaton-success-story-50-dollar-silver

http://www.wholesaledirectmetals.com/

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other good sites:

http://www.sprottglobal.com/

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/

http://gordontlong.com/

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/

http://www.chrismartenson.com/

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/

http://maxkeiser.com/

http://www.zerohedge.com/

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

http://www.kitco.com/

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/ Nicole Foss's (who spoke here in Stockholm last year) site

http://solari.com/

http://new.gloomboomdoom.com/portalgbd/homegbd.cfm Marc Faber (Switzerland, global)



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401K's suck n/t wilt the stilt Feb 2012 #1
I've never worked anywhere more than 6 years. If I didn't have a 401k I'd have no employer help dmallind Feb 2012 #6
Why? truebrit71 Feb 2012 #14
I'm old enough to remember that retirement funds used to be a sure thing me b zola Feb 2012 #31
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #62
They sure do. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #21
My 401k, and my wife's 401k, beg to differ. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #30
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #59
No Summary? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #64
They Don't Have To RobinA Feb 2012 #53
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #63
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #58
Chip, chip, chip ... TBF Feb 2012 #2
The purpose of the 401k is to make people believe that given enough time, they too will be a 1 %'r. harun Feb 2012 #3
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #60
DOOMED. 401Ks are a sham Bennyboy Feb 2012 #4
If it takes millions for each worker to retire, how are pensions viable? dmallind Feb 2012 #7
It takes 3 legs to the stool Sherman A1 Feb 2012 #25
Federal Government moved Civil Service to this for all workers who entered 24601 Feb 2012 #35
Most people retiring now are doing marybourg Feb 2012 #15
I'll add to that... socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #28
If the market crashes in the next 20, 30, 40 years HockeyMom Feb 2012 #16
Depends on what investments you put it in ... and how you manage them ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #33
This is exactly what spartan61 Feb 2012 #5
Mitt Rmoney can come in and strip the plan naked and send it to his offshore accounts nt msongs Feb 2012 #8
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #61
the banksters are laughing as more & more are forced into their gulag casino (aka the rigged market) stockholmer Feb 2012 #9
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #65
Not enough information to say which is better, actually. Robb Feb 2012 #10
ERISA requires 5-year 100% vesting TahitiNut Feb 2012 #11
hey hi TN annabanana Feb 2012 #50
High! TahitiNut Feb 2012 #56
Forcing people into the stock market. earthside Feb 2012 #12
What are pensions invested in? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #17
Pension funds have a huge advantage when they invest because they are larger JDPriestly Feb 2012 #23
Several things wrong here Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #26
I am utterly overwhelmed as a 401(K) investor. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #29
Not really. former9thward Feb 2012 #32
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #67
And if putting money in drives up the market, what happens when Boomers retire and are pulling out? ieoeja Feb 2012 #19
That is the part about our current recession that nobody wants to talk about. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #24
That's why they've walled them off from being "assets". PassingFair Feb 2012 #27
Some companies allow you to take out loans against your 401k. Incitatus Feb 2012 #52
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The trick is................. Knight Hawk Feb 2012 #13
Very good comment. nt TBF Feb 2012 #54
pensions vs esop vs 401k airplaneman Feb 2012 #18
Ugh. The starting salaries have been reduced yup its me Feb 2012 #20
If employers sulphurdunn Feb 2012 #22
403b's SteveG Feb 2012 #36
That's the way 401-k's work Sgent Feb 2012 #47
FEERS sulphurdunn Feb 2012 #49
And how long before GM loots all those 401(k)s as other companies do? harrose Feb 2012 #34
How do they do that? hughee99 Feb 2012 #55
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #69
The pension as it was once known.. sendero Feb 2012 #37
there IS something you can do,(not political)-make informed investments aimed at wealth preservation stockholmer Feb 2012 #38
I agree.. sendero Feb 2012 #39
Gold is another scam. boppers Feb 2012 #40
can you eat or drink copper, nickel, or paper? ret5hd Feb 2012 #41
gold and silver have been stores of wealth for 6000 plus years, and the price they have vis-a-vis stockholmer Feb 2012 #42
Gold and Silver has been a mixed blessing for me. airplaneman Feb 2012 #44
mining stocks(especial the junior and mid-tier sectors) are a space I only venture into with serious stockholmer Feb 2012 #45
You are correct on gold. airplaneman Feb 2012 #51
"... at least you have some control over a 401K ..." SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2012 #43
Good. History has shown us that pensions are more risky and unsustainable than the stock market. cbdo2007 Feb 2012 #46
Yessiree! EVERYBODY into the wall street pool! annabanana Feb 2012 #48
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) nobelaries Jun 2012 #68
GM Posted their HIGHEST PROFIT EVER in 2011. Fearless Feb 2012 #57
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