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JDPriestly

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7. If the government or a private non-profit appoints someone to represent the adversaries
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jul 2013

to warrants, the system remains subject to corruption.

The person who appoints the adversary can control the adversary role and water the system down until there is no real adversary but merely the appearance of an adversary.

We need openness. The papers concerning the issuance of warrants should be required to be published or made available to the public within, say, six months or 1 year of the issuance of the warrant.

The purpose of warrants is to facilitate an investigation. The investigating authorities should have maybe six months to a year in which they are to complete their FISA court investigations -- no longer.

We are not even supposed, under our Constitution, to have a standing army without congressional review of its budget every couple of years. Our military and our Congress have set that limitation aside by automatically passing military budgets every couple of years.

With warrants, the warrants should be reissued. Remember, the FISA court is supposed to give these special warrants for the purposes of insuring national security. Six months to a year is, in my opinion, long enough for a warrant to be secret. If the government wants to snoop on someone's records for over a year, the person on whom they are snooping should be able to go to court and ask for evidence of probable cause for the searches.

For all we know, organizations like the ACLU or Electronic Frontier may be under permanent surveillance just because they defend our rights.

We citizens have a right to know. It's OK to keep military secrets, but the 4th Amendment as well as the First and Fifth Amendments were written to make sure that military secrets are not the excuse for reducing individual privacy and rights to nothing. And right now, it appears that is happening.

We cannot exercise our right to petition the government about surveillance of us if we do not have proof that the surveillance is taking place or has taken place.

The FISA court secrecy should be limited with regard to time. And after that period, any person aggrieved by the surveillance should be able to take the authorities or private companies doing the surveillance or receiving the information from the surveillance to court to show the probable cause justifying the surveillance.

Otherwise, the Bill of Rights is just one big, cruel joke giving us a sense of false security.

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This is the fundamental problem, the process is NOT adversarial. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #1
The problem isn't that it's not adversarial... RiverNoord Jul 2013 #2
No, the problem isnt the secrecy either but rather with the lack of oversight. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #3
Agreed. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #10
OK... you're not describing real oversight RiverNoord Jul 2013 #19
The Chief Justice of the SCOTUS is a special position. Igel Jul 2013 #21
I think dividing up the appointment of the FISA judges would be a good idea davidpdx Jul 2013 #26
It does not seem to me that we disagree. bemildred Jul 2013 #5
If the government or a private non-profit appoints someone to represent the adversaries JDPriestly Jul 2013 #7
Serious Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #13
Right - I mean, you couldn't put the party RiverNoord Jul 2013 #14
The EFF or ACLU RiverNoord Jul 2013 #17
"What Fisa does is not adjudication, but approval." Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #4
Again, thanks Ed Snowden for leaking, thereby opening the door for legal challenges and criticism.nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #6
This was open knowledge before Snowden dished out the goods RiverNoord Jul 2013 #16
I didn't think so. The NSA publicly denied the existence of mass surveillance until Snowden. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #18
Of course the NSA publicly denied RiverNoord Jul 2013 #20
"Court"? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #8
Again, there never are adversarial hearings RiverNoord Jul 2013 #15
There is never anyone there "to argue the other side" over the issuance of a warrant . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #22
Congress has no oversight why? BornLooser Jul 2013 #9
Because Congress isn't the Judiciary. Igel Jul 2013 #23
Rememb..YGBFKM! In the Berman the Boomer voice: "C'mon, Man!" BornLooser Jul 2013 #24
Isn't that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #11
Any objections? randome Jul 2013 #12
He's embarrassed, an outsider, and doesn't agree. Igel Jul 2013 #25
Yeah, why don't they fix this while they're at it..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #27
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