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phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
26. More spouting off without actually saying anything.
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jul 2013

First off, you don't know me and you don't know my life. I grew up poor. I borrowed every penny that payed for my college. And then spent quite a few years poor after that. I grew up in southern WVa, one of the poorest areas of the country. So don't pretend like you have the right or ability to lecture me on "what people are facing out here in the trenches". You just make yourself look ignorant by attempting to do so.

I'm by no means wealthy now. I have a good, middle class salary, but I still have to worry about bills. I'm not anywhere close to being in the top 1%.

But aside from all of that, you are doing nothing but propping up a whole field of fucking strawmen. I never once argued that corporations are generally interested in whats best for their workers or that the present day corporate mentality is anything to be happy about. As a matter of fact, if you'd pull your head out of your ass for a moment and read what I said, you'd realized I am saying the exact opposite of that.

When I argue that there has to be more jobs than people to fill them in order for businesses to start offering better deals to their employees, I might as well be saying that businesses won't do the right thing until they have to. And that is exactly what I'm saying.

Your problem is, you are so emotionally invested in shitting all over good news that you can't stop long enough to realize that fundamentally, I agree with your position on corporate greed whole heartedly. But I'm adding that once unemployment is low enough that corporations HAVE to give better incentives in order to obtain new employees or keep the ones they have, then we will see some of these wage, hour and benefit problems start to work themselves out. That's ALWAYS been the case in our economy. History completely backs me up on that notion and so does any economist worth the title.

And yes, it is cowardice. You aren't emotionally mature enough to handle someone presenting a reasoned argument that puts a damper on your obsession with negative bullshit. So instead of facing what you ultimately fear, and that's the possibility that you are wrong, you cower behind a bunch of ugly rhetoric. Its exactly how conservatives tend to argue. And I strongly suspect theres a reason for that.

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yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #1
What a bunch of poisonous, cart-before-horse nonsense. phleshdef Jul 2013 #2
no heaven05 Jul 2013 #4
Grow up. phleshdef Jul 2013 #7
you heaven05 Jul 2013 #8
Good grief.. you can always count on someone here pissing in the punch bowl.. DCBob Jul 2013 #3
that's right heaven05 Jul 2013 #5
Such bold statements in this thread.. complete with sufficient smilies. DCBob Jul 2013 #13
that's right! heaven05 Jul 2013 #17
It's a little confusing that you adamantly declare that you don't care... Thor_MN Jul 2013 #29
WTF? dotymed Jul 2013 #6
Because employment is rising and wages are rising or holding steady. Igel Jul 2013 #35
Thinking ppl should always look under the covers at the numbers askeptic Jul 2013 #9
But that is to be expected until we are at full employment. phleshdef Jul 2013 #10
you're talking about the normal business cycle Enrique Jul 2013 #11
The Great Depression took far longer to pull out of. phleshdef Jul 2013 #12
Negotiating advantage? heaven05 Jul 2013 #15
Its not a dream world. Its math. phleshdef Jul 2013 #18
skewed heaven05 Jul 2013 #22
"Your kind of democrat thinking"... well that reveals a whole hell of a lot. phleshdef Jul 2013 #23
Only 7% of the private sector is organized and has a contract. There is no bargaining w/o byeya Jul 2013 #28
There is, in a more indirect way. phleshdef Jul 2013 #32
I didn't think you were anti-union. It's just that the social situation you outline doesn't occur byeya Jul 2013 #33
You are probably correct, but not for corporations. dotymed Jul 2013 #40
another heaven05 Jul 2013 #14
And another valueless response from yourself. phleshdef Jul 2013 #16
I don't heaven05 Jul 2013 #19
More like you don't discuss anything that you can't actually refute. phleshdef Jul 2013 #20
whatever heaven05 Jul 2013 #21
Yup. Thats what I thought. phleshdef Jul 2013 #24
not heaven05 Jul 2013 #25
More spouting off without actually saying anything. phleshdef Jul 2013 #26
oh please heaven05 Jul 2013 #36
LOL. You just sound drunk or something now. phleshdef Jul 2013 #39
What do you consider to be an average livable wage? penultimate Jul 2013 #27
hmmm heaven05 Jul 2013 #38
Wow. Brigid Jul 2013 #30
You should have seen some of the responses when I posted positive econ news a couple of years Purveyor Jul 2013 #31
We needed a bigger stimulus Blue Bike Jul 2013 #34
Hooray, more McJobs n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #37
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