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18. I didn't think so. The NSA publicly denied the existence of mass surveillance until Snowden.

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 06:27 PM

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US must fix secret Fisa courts, says top judge who granted surveillance orders [View all] kpete Jul 2013 OP

This is the fundamental problem, the process is NOT adversarial. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #1

The problem isn't that it's not adversarial... RiverNoord Jul 2013 #2

Agreed. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #10

OK... you're not describing real oversight RiverNoord Jul 2013 #19

The Chief Justice of the SCOTUS is a special position. Igel Jul 2013 #21

It does not seem to me that we disagree. bemildred Jul 2013 #5

Serious Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #13

Right - I mean, you couldn't put the party RiverNoord Jul 2013 #14

The EFF or ACLU RiverNoord Jul 2013 #17

"What Fisa does is not adjudication, but approval." Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #4

This was open knowledge before Snowden dished out the goods RiverNoord Jul 2013 #16

Of course the NSA publicly denied RiverNoord Jul 2013 #20

"Court"? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #8

Again, there never are adversarial hearings RiverNoord Jul 2013 #15

Congress has no oversight why? BornLooser Jul 2013 #9

Because Congress isn't the Judiciary. Igel Jul 2013 #23

Rememb..YGBFKM! In the Berman the Boomer voice: "C'mon, Man!" BornLooser Jul 2013 #24

Isn't that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #11

Any objections? randome Jul 2013 #12

He's embarrassed, an outsider, and doesn't agree. Igel Jul 2013 #25

Yeah, why don't they fix this while they're at it..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #27