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John2

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Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:08 AM
Jul 2013

of your Florida Statute for initial aggressor. That is the instructions the judge should have read to the jury. George Zimmerman initially pursued Martin. That is why Zimmerman is guilty of murder and not self defense. Zimmerman provoked the whole events that occurred after he initially pursued Martin. He also falsely profiled Martin.

The prosecution is working for the State and City. The initial aggressor needs to use all alternate means to retreat. They do not have the same immunity of a non aggressor.

Zimmerman nor his defense team has presented no collaborating evidence in this trial,Zimmerman stopped pursuing or Martin circled back to pursue Zimmerman.

The Deadly Weapon Doctrine should also come into effect. That should be automatic, because Zimmerman pursued Martin with a deadly weapon, that was already loaded and ready to fire.

It gave Martin reasonable grounds to believe his life was in danger and a reason to use all available means to defend himself, even causing the injuries to Zimmerman. The prosecution is negligent in not bringing that out to the jury, if they don't. Just because Zimmerman had the most injuries, doesn't mean he was defending himself or was the one reasonably believing his life was in danger.

The emphasis on Zimmerman having a gun in pursuit of Martin gave him the upperhand period. It is not reasonable to believe Martin knew Zimmerman had the gun, much less it was loaded or how to even use it. Do you know a gun manuel that teaches gun owners to have a loaded gun with the safety off in a holster, when carrying it around?

The bottomline is, if the judge read the proper instructions to the jury and they follow the law, Zimmerman should be found guilty as charged.

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And then onto his and his wife's trial for illegal money transfers... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #1
and, hopefully, then a wrongful death suit against Zimmerman... B Stieg Jul 2013 #6
If he's acquitted customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #10
OJ got John2 Jul 2013 #15
Florida has immunity from civil and criminal prosecution for self defense. Kennah Jul 2013 #31
Read 776.041 John2 Jul 2013 #40
We agree that Zimmerman is guilty ... Kennah Jul 2013 #48
What I am wondering is obama2terms Jul 2013 #23
Yes, they can find GZ guilty of a lesser included offense. Kennah Jul 2013 #29
Though he shouldn't be Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #49
This is interesting reading Kennah Jul 2013 #56
I think that's what might happen obama2terms Jul 2013 #55
Zimmerman stalked TM with gun in hand, and killed him. Yah, "wrongful" ... delrem Jul 2013 #32
Who could defend a racist vigilante gun nut? nt onehandle Jul 2013 #2
who could defend an accused child rapist? Or the mastermind of 9-11? bossy22 Jul 2013 #13
Yet even those people, when discharged from their duties, have consciousness. delrem Jul 2013 #33
Gun nuts and racists Nevernose Jul 2013 #25
I used to ask my Law Professor that ... Myrina Jul 2013 #50
Sadly, I foresee 'an O.J.' coming. n/t ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #3
I think he is going to be acquitted bossy22 Jul 2013 #14
I don't agree John2 Jul 2013 #17
Agreed Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #22
The sickening feeling that GZ gets acquitted is growing inside of my stomach. Kennah Jul 2013 #30
I don't even think the defense thinks that will happen. reusrename Jul 2013 #37
The jury may acquit, sure, but if they do it won't be based on the evidence. reusrename Jul 2013 #36
This is quite likely Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #39
Can you give John2 Jul 2013 #42
You are kind of asking me to prove a negative Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #43
There is no John2 Jul 2013 #44
Sorry Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #45
In Illinois, you have a 'duty to retreat'. ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #52
As a former deputy Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #53
I'm not a 'duty to retreat' fan, either. ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #54
I'm looking at it JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #51
What are rebutal witnesses? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #4
Someone or something that provides an alternate theory or witness to or about events. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #5
I dont get it. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #16
Yeah, some. The doc that works for the prosecution has an opinion, jtuck004 Jul 2013 #34
I smell a book deal..... Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #7
I hope not obama2terms Jul 2013 #24
Defendent had a car and a gun. Dead victim had skittles. lindysalsagal Jul 2013 #8
I dont get it either darkangel218 Jul 2013 #18
the law and order types around here will tell you that following someone by car.. frylock Jul 2013 #19
If it is illegal, why wasn't Z charged with violating those laws? hack89 Jul 2013 #20
i never said it wasn't.. frylock Jul 2013 #21
This trial is a big Rorschach test hack89 Jul 2013 #41
you and me both frylock Jul 2013 #46
Of course those are all legal Nevernose Jul 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jul 2013 #38
Seems quick, after all this time. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #9
did they bring up the THC? riverwalker Jul 2013 #11
The judge rules it admissible Nevernose Jul 2013 #27
could prosecution bring in as rebuttal riverwalker Jul 2013 #12
A more accurate rebuttal witness would be someone the same size as Trayvon Nevernose Jul 2013 #28
According to the newspaper report I read, he picked her up and threw her across the room. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #47
I Was Less Impressed By Today's "Expert" Witness DallasNE Jul 2013 #35
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