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52. In Illinois, you have a 'duty to retreat'.

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:08 AM

Jul 2013

The law on the use of deadly force by a civilian is remarkably clear here in Illinois: Before any civilian can use 'deadly force' to defend him- or herself, he/she has a 'duty to retreat', as long as one can do so with 'a reasonable expectation of safety'. Further, one also has a legal duty to obey any 'lawful command' from a law-enforcement officer (this includes emergency-services dispatchers, in criminal or possibly criminal circumstances).

Were Zimmerman being tried in Illinois, there is little doubt that he would be convicted. He ignored the dispatcher's 'lawful command' and he CLEARLY had a 'duty to retreat' at the point he chose to pursue Mr. Martin.

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In Illinois, you have a 'duty to retreat'. ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #52

As a former deputy Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #53

I'm not a 'duty to retreat' fan, either. ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #54

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