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Moonwalk

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52. I know you don't think you're comparing apples and oranges, but you are. If they objected...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jul 2013

...to, oh, say, an Asian person, then you'd have your comparison. Or say, a person born with a blue eye and a brown eyes. Or someone born left-handed who was not taught to write with his right hand and is publicly left handed. Or, say, a woman.

This gay ambassador is not holding a "view" of anything. His attraction to his own sex is not a philosophy or ethics or even cultural. It's not anything he can change any more than you could change your attraction to whatever gender attracts you. Not those against him believe that, but there are people who believe the world is flat, too. If there are a group of anti-left-handers in a country, or anti-woman, do we keep back our best ambassador to a government because of that? Even if the government itself says they welcome that left-hander or woman?

And FYI, we here in the U.S. don't usually know what views ambassadors from other countries have. Be they anti-woman or whatever. Those countries have the right to send to us whomever they wish, and we tolerate them. Now, if they commit some crime, or come forward and try to interfere with us and how our country is run (like get involved in taking away a woman's right to vote) that's different. But just because an ambassador doesn't think women should be allowed to vote, doesn't mean we U.S. citizens have a right to tell the country sending him not to send him. We have the right to say that if he makes speeches to us and ours on that topic we will protest them, but if he acts only as the ambassador for his country, making deals with the U.S. government and swallowing down his objections to the women representatives, then why not? Maybe his time here will change his mind, after all, and make him a better ambassador for both countries.

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so they are not even true to their own religion, no surprise there, since according to their cult msongs Jul 2013 #1
Tell em to shove it. iandhr Jul 2013 #2
That's horrible JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #3
Not going to say what I'm thinking; just K&R. closeupready Jul 2013 #4
fuck 'em mwrguy Jul 2013 #5
Hate ribbons. bunnies Jul 2013 #6
Religion must control sexuality to survive. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #7
Exactly....nt + 1000 Sand Wind Jul 2013 #19
I am so sick of this shit. William769 Jul 2013 #8
The substantial Dominican-American community may have something to say about this KamaAina Jul 2013 #9
There are some really awful homophobes in the NYC Dominican community, though geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16
San jose has Dominican community? alp227 Jul 2013 #20
They are KamaAina Jul 2013 #23
Recall the ambassador and cut foreign aid. They can't dictate their religious intolerance. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #10
How did church teachings deteriorate into hate ? warrant46 Jul 2013 #34
"some segments" Enrique Jul 2013 #11
That sentiment should apply to all countries. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #15
Exactly. The story studiously avoids even attempting to count the haters. Orsino Jul 2013 #60
Is this the official stance of the Dominican government or just a noisy nut case religious group? azurnoir Jul 2013 #12
This from a country that auctions off young girls and boys to pedophiliac sex tourists. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13
A certain right wing radio host also has some explaining to do! alp227 Jul 2013 #21
Limbaugh is the world's most loathsome sex tourist. Quite a feat, given the other geek tragedy Jul 2013 #22
Sadly LGBT rights have a very long way to go in many parts of the world. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #14
But..but..but...sometimes homophobia is just something we should tolerate. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #17
Awwww. That's OK. Grins Jul 2013 #18
Imagine a country trying to send an Ambassador to the US and that individual was steadfast that 24601 Jul 2013 #24
the nation of the Dominican Republic is not protesting this ambassador Enrique Jul 2013 #25
people assume "dominicans" means 100% of dominicans Perez Pradosky Jul 2013 #38
WTF? Opposition to misogyny and racism is the same as homophobia? Seriously, WTF? idwiyo Jul 2013 #27
Never said or implied they were. I was saying only that what receiving nations believe needs to be 24601 Jul 2013 #29
You sure did, or I wouldn't be objecting. idwiyo Jul 2013 #30
You must work for the CIA or NSA, because your dot-connecting ability has jumped from what was 24601 Jul 2013 #36
The facts are provided by your post: the false equivalency where intolerance of bigotry is no idwiyo Jul 2013 #43
We wouldn't send a Jew to SA because s/he wouldn't be allowed in the country. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #33
You are not accurate in the belief that Jews are not allowed in Saudi Arabia. While any non-Islamic 24601 Jul 2013 #39
We send Christians to Israel as ambassadors, why not a Muslim? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #47
Jury Results aikoaiko Jul 2013 #31
I'm a little surprised that one stood. Guess some are easily fooled by a "reasonable" tone. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #35
Not surprised, to be honest Marrah_G Jul 2013 #41
My sincere apologies to LGBTQ DUers that post like that was allowed to stand. idwiyo Jul 2013 #44
I'd actually imagine quite a few ambassadors to the United States hold odious views Posteritatis Jul 2013 #32
You did not just post that......... Marrah_G Jul 2013 #40
The situations would NOT be similar unless you're a bigot. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #46
Bigotry should never be accommodated. If the pseudo-christian haters in the Dominican Republic Zorra Jul 2013 #49
I know you don't think you're comparing apples and oranges, but you are. If they objected... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #52
Get over your stupid selves, you douchecanoes. hatrack Jul 2013 #26
The U.S. could invade... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #28
Deal with it, Dominicans! We'll pick whomever we damn well please as our ambassador. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #37
You do realize that nations are not obligated to accept the credentials of another don't you? And 24601 Jul 2013 #42
Sure, if they want to spit in our eye out of homophobia, their price to pay. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45
What price are you suggesting? Would the President need another Authorized Use of Military 24601 Jul 2013 #51
Who said anything about military force? There are many other avenues. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #55
You weren't specific and I couldn't tell what you were suggesting. Didn't know if you meant this is 24601 Jul 2013 #56
They need to wake up and smell the coffee and accept modern values. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #54
Apparently it's not so easy to "appoint gay ambassadors" to places that don't want them Hekate Jul 2013 #48
I'd be concerned about his safety. tblue Jul 2013 #50
I guess they're sick & tired of our aid money. displacedtexan Jul 2013 #53
EX PATS IN DR ARE WATCHING AND HELPING DADR Jul 2013 #57
RALLY AGAINST AMBASSADOR WAS A FAILURE. DADR Jul 2013 #58
Then they can get over it. Arkana Jul 2013 #59
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