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bossy22

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231. No

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:12 AM

Jul 2013

but you know as well as i know that this was much more complicated than how you put it.

First off, when did the altercation start, what are we defining as the starting point? Who escalated the altercation? Did Zimmerman have the intention of starting and altercation so he could shoot martin?

These are a few of the questions that have to be answered. The problem is we don't have solid answers for them, we have theories, but no hard evidence. IIRC to prove manslaughter they had to prove that Zimmerman acted with depraved indifference to human life- they didn't really prove that. They proved that Zimmerman made some stupid decisions, but stupid decisions that lead to someone deaths doesn't necessarily equal manslaughter.

At best, this was a case of negligent homicide

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Jury finds George Zimmerman not guilty [View all] onehandle Jul 2013 OP

I don't feel so good LiberalElite Jul 2013 #1

Neither do I - it is a sad day for America - and its lost sense of justice. laserhaas Jul 2013 #191

Total bullshit!!! jessie04 Jul 2013 #2

disappointing NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #3

I predicted this Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #4

I think a lot of us had a sick feeling it would happen. Kennah Jul 2013 #45

it was an all white jury PatrynXX Jul 2013 #71

All female, including, if I recall, 5 mothers. OnlinePoker Jul 2013 #79

It was a predominantly white jury meow2u3 Jul 2013 #80

From what I understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #291

I hope the media accosts those women and gives them a difficult next few weeks. Kablooie Jul 2013 #200

No, we really don't want that davidpdx Jul 2013 #265

People were John2 Jul 2013 #297

Members of the OJ jury spoke up and explained their verdict. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #330

I totally agree davidpdx Jul 2013 #331

Who gives a shit BigD_95 Jul 2013 #207

The media called him White Hispanic. ChazII Jul 2013 #210

"Why is everything about race.." Carolina Jul 2013 #285

I don't John2 Jul 2013 #299

Because this country ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #293

George Zimmerman made it about race when he decided to follow Trayvon. Flatulo Jul 2013 #321

Sad n/t joesdaughter Jul 2013 #5

This is going to get ugly around here. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #6

That is so fucked up gopiscrap Jul 2013 #7

Open season on unarmed pedestrians Marthe48 Jul 2013 #8

how? Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #34

If you walk on a sidewalk, you are a potential threat to someone. nt killbotfactory Jul 2013 #42

only Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #51

He just got away with murder Marthe48 Jul 2013 #77

+1. "The people who are ok with this verdict don't much care about the law..' blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #178

A travesty--but not surprised given the trial. book_worm Jul 2013 #9

Was the jury intellectually handicapped? WTF is wrong with them? nt valerief Jul 2013 #10

The prosecution was. Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #17

Certainly not a jury "of their peers" - either for the victim or the perpetrator George II Jul 2013 #78

Reasonable doubt Shrek Jul 2013 #121

no, he is guilty Skittles Jul 2013 #11

Very sad, MuseRider Jul 2013 #12

A loss for America. B Stieg Jul 2013 #13

I feel so angry right now AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #14

shit heaven05 Jul 2013 #15

Verdict SamKnause Jul 2013 #16

Wonder what is going on outside the courthouse now? n/t ReRe Jul 2013 #18

Just showed a few people chanting "No justice, no peace." nt Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #32

I didn't agree with the verdict... ReRe Jul 2013 #204

About the points you made... truth2power Jul 2013 #302

How in God's name they could have found him not guilty of manslaughter truth2power Jul 2013 #19

For the same reason they couldn't find Casey Anthony guilty of parental neglect NotThisTime Jul 2013 #27

I don't remember enough of the details of Casey Anthony to compare, but maybe you're truth2power Jul 2013 #52

Prosecutorial incompetence. n/t ET Awful Jul 2013 #64

I do not mean this to be a snark, but you must have been watching truth2power Jul 2013 #89

In both this and the Anthony case, had the prosecution better prepared and presented ET Awful Jul 2013 #142

Not the same thing. duffyduff Jul 2013 #197

I was thinking that too. I bet just like OJ he'll get himself into trouble raccoon Jul 2013 #30

The prosecutors apparently had a different approach to the evidence that we did. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #112

I can't say it any better than you did. truth2power Jul 2013 #134

This is (among) the problems... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #336

I'm UK - extremely hard for me to understand too. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #272

why is it I thought it would AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #20

Because, unfortunately... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #47

The legal system is a complete sham in this Country, how many sham trials is Florida going to have NotThisTime Jul 2013 #21

fuck fuck FUCK MirrorAshes Jul 2013 #22

I am truly ashamed of a part of America BlueJazz Jul 2013 #23

just got away with murder rurallib Jul 2013 #24

^^^THIS^^^ valerief Jul 2013 #35

Yep Carolina Jul 2013 #133

I'm a little surprised they didn't rule for manslaughter Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #25

I'm very surprised. complain jane Jul 2013 #148

6 female jury, I never imagined that would be the verdict. ileus Jul 2013 #26

I figured at least a hung jury. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #50

My hope was that women could be more compassionate and thoughtful too. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #56

That was my thoughts exactly. ileus Jul 2013 #63

This press conference is a joke and very insensitive. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #84

Who is the awful garish woman grandstanding, smiling and conducting this press conference? avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #105

I believe you were seeing the State's Attorney from the 4th District. She and her team are still 24601 Jul 2013 #158

The Whole Culture Of The South Is Different DallasNE Jul 2013 #163

I found Jesse Jackson's comment very insightful marshall Jul 2013 #295

Oh my god MissDeeds Jul 2013 #28

The quality of justice is extremely poor in Florida. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #29

Just look at the criminal governor. nt valerief Jul 2013 #38

Yes. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #61

Sorry, that's "The fish rots from the head." Igel Jul 2013 #245

Gee, thanks for clearing that up tabasco Jul 2013 #287

I'm fairly certain Florida isn't an exception in this country. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #157

Yep. Remember Casey Anthony? N/t alp227 Jul 2013 #170

I was j u s t thinking about that case. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #173

Lots of reasonable doubt there. The jury was correct in that case. n/t duffyduff Jul 2013 #199

Lots of reasonable doubt here as well lancer78 Jul 2013 #234

just heaven05 Jul 2013 #31

Open season on young black men wearing hoodies OldRedneck Jul 2013 #33

Hunting season is now open on African Americans in Florida. Capt.Rocky300 Jul 2013 #36

not heaven05 Jul 2013 #46

You're right. I stand corrected. Sad Capt.Rocky300 Jul 2013 #66

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #90

Hopefully he will eventually find the real killer oberliner Jul 2013 #37

Just another town where it's not illegal to kill a black person. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2013 #39

Right wing whites win again SCVDem Jul 2013 #40

The fix was in kylie5432 Jul 2013 #41

My heart goes out the Martin family. zonkers Jul 2013 #43

Not a single African-American on the jury oberliner Jul 2013 #44

One of them may have been African American. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #306

He is far from a free man sorefeet Jul 2013 #48

The feds can step in on a "denial of constitutional rights" basis like they did with the KKK... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #67

Yes, they'll come in with both feet, like they did with Goldman Sachs, right? hatrack Jul 2013 #101

Yeah,...Al Sharpton just started going on about that.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #109

Wait a little while SwankyXomb Jul 2013 #153

Yeah,...we'll see videos of the clowns at FOX "News" gloating with their usual smug superiority.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #164

+1. "They have no shame." blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #185

And now Zimmerman sues NBC: 7962 Jul 2013 #324

I expect his lawyers to sue the NAACP next. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #332

I don't know, NAACP hasnt done what NBC did 7962 Jul 2013 #337

"The whole NBC thing shouldve cost somebody their job" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #339

Good. Thanks for the update! 7962 Jul 2013 #340

Figured it would be easy to find. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #341

You're not missing much. Endless same-same tract homes surrounded by endless palmettos. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #327

Same went for the Rodney King case after the officers were acquitted in state court. alp227 Jul 2013 #176

Right. It's also how the feds got involved in KKK cases as murder is a state matter. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #180

No Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #273

Exactly Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #282

bullshit. bullshit BULLSHIT pasto76 Jul 2013 #230

If I had one, I'd sell it too. tblue Jul 2013 #49

Sue him for unlawful death. RBInMaine Jul 2013 #53

Florida has immunity from civil and criminal prosecution for self defense Kennah Jul 2013 #72

He should definitely be sued for wrongful death. truth2power Jul 2013 #75

Well they could if this happened in California, but not in Florida. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #107

They've already sued the HOA and settled out of court. nt. premium Jul 2013 #168

What happens when you lose a fist fight ? blkbear Jul 2013 #54

Bad decision imo. nt cstanleytech Jul 2013 #55

Do Not Pass Jail. Go Directly To Fox News. Dear Gaia. Kennah Jul 2013 #57

how disturbing Danmel Jul 2013 #58

I wish I could say this was unexpected but I can not azurnoir Jul 2013 #59

I think he was guilty rpannier Jul 2013 #60

I call upon the Justice Department to indict Zimmerman for a civil rights violation. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #62

I hope the Trayvon's mother and father plan their own civil suit. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #70

They can't jmowreader Jul 2013 #91

Florida forbids civil suits in cases like these? avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #99

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks. But yes I think there are grounds totodeinhere Jul 2013 #100

Assuming the feds want to get involved... jmowreader Jul 2013 #266

Screw Florida laws...there are FEDERAL laws too! George II Jul 2013 #127

I don't think so bossy22 Jul 2013 #235

I'm sure that that will also happen. And Zimmerman's lawyers have probably told him that. Some totodeinhere Jul 2013 #96

Thank GOD for the Civil Rights Act of 1964...this isn't over yet! George II Jul 2013 #125

do you think you could prove this beyond a reasonable doubt? bossy22 Jul 2013 #233

I am not a lawyer but a good Justice Department lawyer might. Yes it totodeinhere Jul 2013 #310

Sad erpowers Jul 2013 #65

Remember BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #68

The Martin's can't civily sue Zimmerman, in FL. premium Jul 2013 #179

They used to say "Only in America", tonight it's "Only in Florida" - disgusting. George II Jul 2013 #69

WTF! Not guilty of manslaughter? What a fucked up system of law we have in this country. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #74

go away Carolina Jul 2013 #147

It's the prosecution's fault. Beacool Jul 2013 #76

The jury had the option to convict on manslaughter Shrek Jul 2013 #113

That charge was added at the last minute. Beacool Jul 2013 #162

My understanding is different than what you said. Manslaughter was always on the table as a 24601 Jul 2013 #301

Maybe so, but the perception was that it was M2. Beacool Jul 2013 #315

That would have been awkward & difficult. The Sanford Police Department was recommending the 24601 Jul 2013 #316

Yes, but the prosecutors were experienced enough to have known that M2 would not stick. Beacool Jul 2013 #318

Interesting point. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #307

A boon for bar fighters! Shadowflash Jul 2013 #81

I am thinking that this is EXACTLY what the jury has said... truth2power Jul 2013 #130

Not exactly. Straw Man Jul 2013 #333

The legal blog talk left gejohnston Jul 2013 #82

Prosecution kissing the jury's ass?? WTF?? michigandem58 Jul 2013 #83

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #85

My sons will never be safe mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #86

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #87

So incredibly stupid. aintitfunny Jul 2013 #88

You know how you all feel right now? Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #92

if they could not get 2nd degree murder littlewolf Jul 2013 #114

I am of the opinion Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #117

1st degree murder is essentially pre-meditated bossy22 Jul 2013 #246

"They always get away" Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #248

huh? bossy22 Jul 2013 #250

Premeditation. Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #251

Exactly. IMHO there was racially-motivated premeditation. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #328

This is a rallying call. No justice, no peace. appacom Jul 2013 #93

Two words - mbee Jul 2013 #94

+1000. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #110

We have been boycotting Florida since KarenS Jul 2013 #129

Why 2000? 24601 Jul 2013 #286

I think she was referring to the 2000 election theft. eom truth2power Jul 2013 #303

I was wondering it it was that, but posters don't blame Florida. The acceptable DU response is 24601 Jul 2013 #305

i agree Carolina Jul 2013 #151

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #95

Stick it Caretha Jul 2013 #118

So. Vigilante Justice for All! southerncrone Jul 2013 #97

Let the South secede from the Union. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #189

Being a daughter of the South, I sure don't want to give it up to A..holes! southerncrone Jul 2013 #201

Not surprised. Floriduh has lived up to their rep once again. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #98

the police told him to stay in his car Botany Jul 2013 #102

It's appropriate you brought this up. The words you suggest are not accurate. The individual 24601 Jul 2013 #292

They'll probably elect him to the state Senate, now. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #103

I see him with his own show on Fox. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #120

And either way, he'll say "It was part of God's plan". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #175

Book deal, movie residuals PuffedMica Jul 2013 #275

A bad precedent was set tonight. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #104

The minute the ballistics guy testified - lynne Jul 2013 #106

Agreed. They need to write into law that if you call in and a 911 cstanleytech Jul 2013 #122

you can't do that bossy22 Jul 2013 #240

I believe it would work. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #317

Good point! Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #308

Sad day for justice. DCBob Jul 2013 #108

Understatment. nt cstanleytech Jul 2013 #124

I wish I could say I am surprised. Brigid Jul 2013 #111

Crying shame. Wtf is wrong with Florida!!!!! johnnyrocket Jul 2013 #115

Didn't think I could be shocked anymore damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #116

I hope those mother's never have to lose a child like this, Loki Jul 2013 #119

I guess it's open season on unarmed black teenagers now. Aristus Jul 2013 #123

Tweet with the same feeling.. Cha Jul 2013 #206

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #126

wow PaulKersey Jul 2013 #136

This is awful. Loryn Jul 2013 #128

REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU THINK OF THE VERDICT. dawn frenzy adams Jul 2013 #131

Which is why he'll be in the news again. Wait and see. truth2power Jul 2013 #169

Zimmerman walks free after killing a 17 year old unarmed youth golfguru Jul 2013 #132

Ha! dawn frenzy adams Jul 2013 #135

Try getting this type of public trial in China, Russia, Cuba, etc n/t golfguru Jul 2013 #150

Ha. dawn frenzy adams Jul 2013 #257

Everything in North America is about $$$$$$$ golfguru Jul 2013 #259

I am shocked. I hope the Martins take the little tweek to civil court..... marble falls Jul 2013 #137

I believe fl law prevents civil suit. littlewolf Jul 2013 #145

No justice available in Florida. What a state motto. I have a new motto for my own Texas.... marble falls Jul 2013 #152

What about a lawsuit via federal court? Is that possible? cstanleytech Jul 2013 #165

The fix was in.... Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2013 #138

O'mara and West talking now (press conference)... truth2power Jul 2013 #139

QUESTION: ARE WE A NATION OF LAWS? drynberg Jul 2013 #140

Very, very disappointed in this! mvd Jul 2013 #141

fuck kinda bullshit is this? fuck florida craigmatic Jul 2013 #143

This Verdict Was Destined By The Rotten Police Work DallasNE Jul 2013 #144

Awful. Cleita Jul 2013 #146

As a Prosecutor of 25 years ... broadcaster75201 Jul 2013 #149

me too ... based upon what I saw littlewolf Jul 2013 #156

"To win a manslaughter conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury only that Zimmerman killed.. adirondacker Jul 2013 #160

because we don't know who through the first punch bossy22 Jul 2013 #216

So, someone can provoke an altercation with an unarmed individual and shoot him? nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #225

No bossy22 Jul 2013 #231

Thanks for the clarification. I'm still pretty leary of how justice was served here. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #247

it was technically...not so much in reality bossy22 Jul 2013 #249

Right. Sometimes I think the technicalities of the law in this country are written exactly for this adirondacker Jul 2013 #260

They added that charge at the last minute. Beacool Jul 2013 #171

Really? lancer78 Jul 2013 #238

Go the Carolina Jul 2013 #289

there is no WAY that gun humping paranoid coward approached Martin without displaying his gun Skittles Jul 2013 #334

The NRA should be happy meanit Jul 2013 #154

I don't know.... sofa king Jul 2013 #312

Wow, so now it's so extra easy to kill black folks with no repercussions? Fucking bull shit! boguspotus Jul 2013 #155

O'Mara making me sick Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #159

I think he answered the question correctly. Igel Jul 2013 #252

I think it goes beyond that. Deny and Shred Jul 2013 #283

What if Zimmerman were Hispanic instead of white? marshall Jul 2013 #294

The laws, too few on a jury, lexington filly Jul 2013 #161

sickening. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #166

I wish I could say I was surprised. GoCubsGo Jul 2013 #167

How do you know that they were Teabaggers? Beacool Jul 2013 #172

Mostly because of where the live. GoCubsGo Jul 2013 #187

OK, I lived in FL but I've never been to Sanford. nt Beacool Jul 2013 #209

Get the hell out of FL. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #174

That is disgusting Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #177

It wasn't 12 Jurors, premium Jul 2013 #186

Thank you for that information Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #208

So Right, Lack Of Diversity DallasNE Jul 2013 #213

I mostly agree with you, premium Jul 2013 #215

Mostly Agree DallasNE Jul 2013 #224

Good points. premium Jul 2013 #226

It was crap data. Igel Jul 2013 #255

I Made The Assumption The Recording Was Digital DallasNE Jul 2013 #268

Re: voice analysis... Your post and those above are enlightening.. truth2power Jul 2013 #304

Once Z settles the Martin family CIVIL case that money is out the window. alp227 Jul 2013 #192

Not Sure Civil Recourse Is Available In Florida DallasNE Jul 2013 #227

Shiiiiiit...you may be right alp227 Jul 2013 #243

He could have requested immunity but choose not to hack89 Jul 2013 #284

No civil case to settle, he's immune NickB79 Jul 2013 #229

That's It!!!!! I Believe Florida should Be under a provisional federal governor! BlueManFan Jul 2013 #181

the ocean will soon swallow Florida, and it will be forgotten. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #237

Those hillbilly teabag Floridians don't believe in global warming BlueManFan Jul 2013 #319

The verdict makes me inexpressibly sad. Bette Noir Jul 2013 #182

He stalked and murdered SoapBox Jul 2013 #183

bull fucking shit verdict mike dub Jul 2013 #184

Justice prevailed. Vattel Jul 2013 #188

Injustice Prevailed...you are wrong...eom GReedDiamond Jul 2013 #193

Let me guess...white?....middle class?...... ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #211

+1 Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #269

Justice didn't prevail Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #274

Prosecutors frk'd this one up BIG TIME! laserhaas Jul 2013 #190

They did Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #277

Its a sad day walkerbait41 Jul 2013 #194

Lets not loose sight of the real villains Alan M Jul 2013 #195

The Law Has A Double Standard DallasNE Jul 2013 #263

So now a mugger can claim self defense in Florida after he shoots a victim. Kablooie Jul 2013 #196

No Alan M Jul 2013 #202

this does not have much to do with SYG laws bossy22 Jul 2013 #228

No. A WHITE mugger can claim self defense after he shoots a BLACK victim. tpsbmam Jul 2013 #221

Anybody can claim whatever they want Alan M Jul 2013 #232

SYG wasn't raised as a defense bossy22 Jul 2013 #236

I agree up to a point Alan M Jul 2013 #256

Yes. No witnesses, so he isn't a mugger. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #241

I really don't know how this has become humbled_opinion Jul 2013 #198

I would hope so Alan M Jul 2013 #205

SYG Wasn't used as a defense bossy22 Jul 2013 #242

Unbelievable felix_numinous Jul 2013 #203

A very sad day....... lucca18 Jul 2013 #212

How could they return this verdict? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #214

because the prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt bossy22 Jul 2013 #218

Because the police deliberately botched the investigation and then the prosecutors, kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #329

I don't understand how this can happen. It disgusts me. 20score Jul 2013 #217

American idiots now think it's ok to stalk and kill unarmed black kids walking in the neighborhood. lonestarnot Jul 2013 #219

If you are referring to the jury, finding him not guilty and thinking what he did was OK totodeinhere Jul 2013 #311

Un-fucking believable. blackspade Jul 2013 #220

I am super mad shall_not_tell Jul 2013 #222

I can't believe this miked62916 Jul 2013 #223

Saw that coming. Ash_F Jul 2013 #239

The United States of America defacto7 Jul 2013 #244

better blog ThenWhatTheFis Jul 2013 #253

while I severely disagree with the judgement... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #254

Judge also erred nakocal Jul 2013 #258

The animation was only allowed to be used in the defense's closing argument. PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #270

Which meant that Zimmerman could testify without being cross-examined nakocal Jul 2013 #342

I Wonder What The Jury Members Will Say DallasNE Jul 2013 #261

This is sick cosmicone Jul 2013 #271

Proving he did not "reasonably believe" his life was being threatend.. DCBob Jul 2013 #278

Objectively I agree with the verdict pettypace Jul 2013 #262

"congrats"? ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #267

I had a feeling he was going to get off davidpdx Jul 2013 #264

Did the jury know which side introduced the Manslaughter alternative? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #276

They are not aware who requests the lesser included Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #280

Thanks for the coherent explanation JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2013 #290

maybe the 1 room, 2 man, 9-5pm stamford police dept. will hire George for their night patrol. Sunlei Jul 2013 #279

too bad otherone Jul 2013 #281

I'm not surprised; this is Florida, after all LiberalEsto Jul 2013 #288

geesh, not even a manslaughter conviction wordpix Jul 2013 #296

Too bad. I'm sure many here are very disappointed. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #298

Horrible!! Terrible!!!! Soo sickening!!! NO JUSTICE!!!!!! hue Jul 2013 #300

unlike a lot of america i wasnt riveted by this case rdking647 Jul 2013 #309

This is about race AND GU NS Bragi Jul 2013 #313

Correct. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #314

Jury (of idiots) finds George Zimmerman not guilty Owl Jul 2013 #320

Fuck. Just.... fuck. Initech Jul 2013 #322

Zimmerman Case Proves That Left Was Right on Crime publicdefender76 Jul 2013 #323

what was your DU username? Kali Jul 2013 #325

is this you? Kali Jul 2013 #326

In any other situation FlaGranny Jul 2013 #335

Next he will write a book, sue the Media and then auction off the gun on E-Bay & Retire. olegramps Jul 2013 #338