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76. You can't take the politics out of politics

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:55 PM

Jul 2013

If he scales back data collection the next new terrorist incident, regardless of their overall rarity, becomes an attack ad subject next election, and something for the media to relentlessly pound.

This will hurt Democratic chances, which may not mean much in a hyper-democratic majority state like California, but it means a lot more in others.

So even if I agreed that the data collection that has been revealed is morally wrong (and so far as I've seen, it's just standard operating procedure of what every major country does), I still put more importance on things that actually save lives: Health care. Anti-poverty programs. Slowing global warming. Food stamps. School lunches. Definitely school lunches.

There is real suffering out in rural America that has nothing to do with the $5-latte crowd worried about the NSA viewing their porn.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Senator Ron Wyden: White House considering scaling back data collection [View all] think Jul 2013 OP

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Wilms Jul 2013 #1

lmao. but to be fair, he's only *considering* being racist. allin99 Jul 2013 #58

I hope so. This could be dangerous if we had an administration that was inclined to abuse the JDPriestly Jul 2013 #2

Good to hear. Skinner Jul 2013 #3

Snowden's actions are bearing fruit! [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #6

So do I! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #12

If true, this would be good, indeed. flpoljunkie Jul 2013 #22

If they do, will it help? ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #63

This isn't about appeasing political critics. Skinner Jul 2013 #66

You can't take the politics out of politics ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #76

I think it's pretty clear that you don't agree it's wrong. Skinner Jul 2013 #78

Political capital is indeed the essence of it ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #79

A fig leaf? nolabels Jul 2013 #75

Oh please let this happen. Autumn Jul 2013 #4

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #5

When pigs fly. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #7

Sadly...while I would like to belive Wyden's hope...agree with you KoKo Jul 2013 #13

I read this as "Too much heat, we need to move it back into the shadows." Hydra Jul 2013 #14

Yes - Astute Conjecture - Nothing Like Turning Out The Lights To Reduce Suspicions cantbeserious Jul 2013 #44

Question: shanti Jul 2013 #70

To Make The Reply Stand Out - These Titles Are Like The Start To Articles - Hence The Capitalization cantbeserious Jul 2013 #72

Whereas I think that Predator Drones should blow up the data storage and collection centers Demeter Jul 2013 #68

+ 1,000,000 cantbeserious Jul 2013 #73

Cutting back on mass surveillance doesn't matter, even if it's true. merrily Jul 2013 #45

Thank you. nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #64

Sen. Wyden as W.H. spokesperson....hmmmm... BornLooser Jul 2013 #8

I sure hope so. But, I will believe it when it can be proven. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #9

Not surprised. This White House is receptive to all valid concerns. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #10

LOL! merrily Jul 2013 #46

LMFAO... dotymed Jul 2013 #67

Wyden sure does like to blather alot. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #11

What has he been blathering about? think Jul 2013 #16

Why would you say that? Not to mention, it is part of his job representing me. Coyotl Jul 2013 #40

He's my Senator and he's a good one too just like Senator Merkley. Blathering? neverforget Jul 2013 #41

Same can be said of every politician on the planet. And? merrily Jul 2013 #47

Thats good. I hope so Vanje Jul 2013 #15

Yes it does need to be shut down. truedelphi Jul 2013 #82

Uh-huh. Fool me once... MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #17

Why would the WH weaken national security by scaling back on data collection unless indepat Jul 2013 #18

Because the constant obstruction around it would do even worse damage to national security? ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #61

Reading is fundamental. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #19

Sounds like a trial balloon Android3.14 Jul 2013 #20

Agreed. Trial balloon that needs a strong and positive response. Laelth Jul 2013 #32

No thanks. I am not cheering a Constitutional violation simply because it MAY involve fewer victims merrily Jul 2013 #48

This falls way short. I want to know what Booz-Allen and the Crlyle Group's roll is in the rhett o rick Jul 2013 #21

Agree /nt think Jul 2013 #23

If this is true then it turns out that Snowden did perform a vital public service. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #24

No if about it. Snowden did perform a vital public service. merrily Jul 2013 #49

Exactly raindaddy Jul 2013 #80

The next administration could reinstate it, however frazzled Jul 2013 #25

We don't know squat. We only have someone's word for it. But, right, it is not about Obama. merrily Jul 2013 #50

"bulk collection of Americans' phone records" Helen Borg Jul 2013 #26

Just a stirring of the tea leaves but at least they are stirring... think Jul 2013 #28

their diffidence of late in public statements have made me think something is up carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #27

Translation: We'll be even more secret, so you don't know. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #29

There will be a secret secret court daleo Jul 2013 #56

"THE ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN WYDEN NO ADDITIONAL ASSURANCES OF CHANGES"! n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #30

OMG!!!!! CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #37

No Congressman is in charge of the let's-spy-upon-all-Americans policy. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #38

Oh, that's sad. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #39

Another launch from the Trial Balloon Admin Doctor_J Jul 2013 #31

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #33

Suuuuuure it is. forestpath Jul 2013 #34

Bad headline. The story really says that Wyden "wants to believe" it. He also "has a feeling." PSPS Jul 2013 #35

I suspect he knows something.. why else would he make a statement like this. DCBob Jul 2013 #60

We need more than that. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #36

Not going to happen Kelvin Mace Jul 2013 #42

Meh. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #43

The Fourth Amendment is not about how many people get spied on. merrily Jul 2013 #51

lol. Caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Little Star Jul 2013 #52

Now this could get interesting.... fredamae Jul 2013 #53

Stars and stripes forever the flag is waving polynomial Jul 2013 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author rg123 Jul 2013 #55

Scaling back from "way too fucking much" to "too fucking much" would be my guess. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #57

I was expecting this. Its the appropriate thing to do given the circumstances. DCBob Jul 2013 #59

Yeah, right. caseymoz Jul 2013 #62

Bullshit. You don't "scale back" on violations of the Fourth Amendment. woo me with science Jul 2013 #65

Only gonna violate the 4th a little bit...LOL SHRED Jul 2013 #69

Too funny! n/t bitchkitty Jul 2013 #71

This needs to be filed under "So The Eff What?" Th1onein Jul 2013 #74

The weasel word is "considering". Owl Jul 2013 #77

We need to get rid of the 'Patriot' Act... Gumboot Jul 2013 #81