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OneTenthofOnePercent

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11. Let me clarify..

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:35 AM

Feb 2012

I'm just saying that it is illegal to export firearms to another country without proper government licenses and it is illegal to sell a firearm to a foreign citizen. Furthermore, as referenced in the OP article, "automatic rifles" are likely no coming fro US gun shops. All of these things Calderon is complaining about are already against the law here in America... what more does he expect? Write more laws an the criminals will just be breaking more laws.

The best any country can do is effectively police it's own side of the border. Which is what my original reply title suggests: "Tell them to quit buying them." I'm not saying that the people committing these crimes are not to blame... I'm just pointing out that Calderon seems all to eager to pass the buck on this issue when he should be focusing o his side of the fence. It's not America's fault that Calderon's police and government are some of the most corrupt organizations on the planet.

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'No More Weapons!' billboard placed on US border [View all] ellisonz Feb 2012 OP

Tell them to quit buying them ?? OneTenthofOnePercent Feb 2012 #1

Typical NRA talking points; greiner3 Feb 2012 #6

NRA talking points? OneTenthofOnePercent Feb 2012 #9

"And I live I Ohio" sudopod Feb 2012 #16

The fastest way to deal with both problems... krispos42 Feb 2012 #21

Yes, this IS sound reasoning duhneece Feb 2012 #43

Oh, yeah, that's sound reasoning. harmonicon Feb 2012 #7

Let me clarify.. OneTenthofOnePercent Feb 2012 #11

Do you even read what you write? izquierdista Feb 2012 #13

+1 madokie Feb 2012 #65

Speaking of logic... is there a gun law on the books that we have not begun to enforce? aikoaiko Feb 2012 #67

"...Calderon supervised the destruction of more than 7,500 automatic rifles and handguns..." PavePusher Feb 2012 #2

Language fail. boppers Feb 2012 #58

Sorry, but in the technical (and legally VERY specific) language for firearms... PavePusher Feb 2012 #72

Pregnant. boppers Feb 2012 #76

I'm starting to think you are being intentionally obtuse and disingenuous. PavePusher Feb 2012 #78

Well there is some linguistic game play afoot. boppers Feb 2012 #84

No, in the legal sense of the BATFE, who take a very dim view of unregistered automatic firearms. PavePusher Feb 2012 #86

There is no such thing as an "automatic semi-auto"???? boppers Feb 2012 #88

Your post does not even address my statement. PavePusher Feb 2012 #89

From that link: boppers Feb 2012 #102

You specifically mentioned hand-cranks. A hand-crank activated firearm is not classified... PavePusher Feb 2012 #107

Sure, put a person who lost their hand, and now has an "assist" arm, at the crank. boppers Feb 2012 #110

You are correct on the the "many" vs. "more than one"... PavePusher Feb 2012 #113

It's pretty much the same point as the AWB rules. boppers Feb 2012 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author AlecBGreen Feb 2012 #94

Well, that was an amusing mental jump. boppers Feb 2012 #109

"(Not to hosts, I think this constitutes "really big news"" PavePusher Feb 2012 #3

Facsinating how such "really big news" couldn't be bothered to have a picture. PavePusher Feb 2012 #4

The El Paso Times has a picture of the billboard happyslug Feb 2012 #5

Thank you. ellisonz Feb 2012 #33

I'll have to go see it duhneece Feb 2012 #44

We even got a picture of the sign/guns in the tulsa world newspaper this morning madokie Feb 2012 #66

This ongoing tragedy lies at the feet of the weapons industry, the weapons lobby, baldguy Feb 2012 #8

The last time I checked the US had over 20,000 gun laws.n/t Johnson20 Feb 2012 #22

Which "responsable gun owners" can avoid by simply crossing an imaginary line on a map. baldguy Feb 2012 #30

Explain this claim, please. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #35

57 hours, no response. Figures. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #91

Automatic weapons have been highly regulated for decades Taitertots Feb 2012 #36

I can buy one at Wal-Mart. boppers Feb 2012 #59

You can't buy automatic weapons at Walmart Taitertots Feb 2012 #64

You can buy automatic weapons of the semi automatic variety. eom boppers Feb 2012 #74

Semi-automatic =/= Automatic, your statement is non-sequitur Taitertots Feb 2012 #79

Semiautomatics "are highly regulated in the US"? boppers Feb 2012 #105

FBI background checks, 1968 GCA, prohibited people, import restrictions, sales restrictions..... Taitertots Feb 2012 #118

What an silly statement to make. Oh well, yeah can't fix stupid.n/t Johnson20 Feb 2012 #81

freedictionary.com is your friend AlecBGreen Feb 2012 #95

3 shot burst = full automatic, legally boppers Feb 2012 #103

"Interpreting the sign as an indication of shortage, US manufacturers raced to meet demand...." Robb Feb 2012 #10

LOL - DUZY right there! n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Feb 2012 #12

hahahaha... Good job! octothorpe Feb 2012 #80

How are these weapons getting across the border? Lasher Feb 2012 #14

7,500 automatic rifles could not possibly have been smuggled from the US into Mexico slackmaster Feb 2012 #18

Why not? Incitatus Feb 2012 #26

Maybe you don't know it minavasht Feb 2012 #29

Wrong. boppers Feb 2012 #61

My friend minavasht Feb 2012 #82

You are not a gunsmith, are you? boppers Feb 2012 #85

As a matter of fact I am minavasht Feb 2012 #99

...Then you should know about selective fire systems. boppers Feb 2012 #104

They're tightly regulated, registered, and the supply is very limited slackmaster Feb 2012 #40

You're talking about machine guns. boppers Feb 2012 #62

Using the term "automatic" to describe a semi-automatic rifle is a cheap propaganda ploy slackmaster Feb 2012 #69

Using the term "automatic" to describe only a full-automatic rifle is a cheap propaganda ploy boppers Feb 2012 #75

So it becomes clear minavasht Feb 2012 #83

I own rifles and pistols. boppers Feb 2012 #87

Do they even make 3-round clips for Garands? PavePusher Feb 2012 #90

This is not an answer to my question. minavasht Feb 2012 #100

No-if-you-limit-reload-times-instead boppers Feb 2012 #101

Illumination trumps obfuscation slackmaster Feb 2012 #96

For one thing it would represent about 75 MILLION dollars worth of firearms. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #47

"Auto" or "Semi-Auto" -- makes little difference. One can kill a lot of folks with either. Hoyt Feb 2012 #48

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #49

Actually it makes a world of difference if you're talking about where the weapons came from. Kurska Feb 2012 #51

It does when the narcos here are using full auto, grenades and rockrt launchers.nt expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #54

I beg your pardon but there is a huge distinction between semi-auto and full auto. Lasher Feb 2012 #55

I beg yours. You can kill plenty of innocent folks with semi-auto. Hoyt Feb 2012 #57

And you can kill plenty of innocent folks with a car. Is a car a machine gun? Lasher Feb 2012 #60

It indicates ignorance or deceit on the part of the reporter. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #77

Hanlon's Razor. eom boppers Feb 2012 #106

Except we know that this confusion has been intentionally fostered. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #120

Sounds like a jobs killing bid DUIC Feb 2012 #15

Please tell me you are being sarcastic Kolesar Feb 2012 #17

Partially DUIC Feb 2012 #19

And of course... ellisonz Feb 2012 #34

It sounds and looks cool minavasht Feb 2012 #20

but...but...but we have been told by Gun Luvers that thar ain't no gun running to Mexico jpak Feb 2012 #23

'Argument from authority' is acceptable if you agree with the authority? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #27

The fact of "guns in Mexico" montanto Feb 2012 #38

Yeah - them traceable serial numbers that go back to Texas gun shops is a gummit conspiracy! jpak Feb 2012 #39

or - more likely - the traceable serial numbers that go back to the Mexican military and police DUIC Feb 2012 #42

Bingo!!!! They are using full auto weapons plus grenades and rocket launchers here. expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #53

Some came stolen from the Mexican authorities...but EX500rider Feb 2012 #70

Sure, I am sure some are coming from south of us. Full autos, expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #71

The weapons in question are automatic, there is no way in hell the majority of them came from Kurska Feb 2012 #50

More important than the price, you require a Federal Firearms License to buy or own one. Lasher Feb 2012 #56

Again with the qualifiers. boppers Feb 2012 #63

And then see my response to it. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #73

Not true. We've been saying that gun restrictionists are fibbing about the amount of gun running. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #68

Should we put up a "No More Drugs" sign opposite theirs? Incitatus Feb 2012 #24

You mean things entering into Mexico, illegally, are causing issues down there? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #25

Stop sending us drugs then. Kurska Feb 2012 #28

What a pendejo! To do what he asks would mean to stop arming his Polic�a Federal. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #31

Or smuggled over by the ATF!!! Johnson20 Feb 2012 #46

Mexico would be a crime-free utopia if it weren't for the U.S Dr_Scholl Feb 2012 #32

Perhaps Mexico could have provided a list of make/model/serial numbers of those guns..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #37

+1000. Show me the serial #s as well or stfu. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #41

We should put up one that says, "No More Drugs!" Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #45

I can tell you right now that the weapons expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #52

That's funny, I thought guns were supposed to make society SAFER Hugabear Feb 2012 #92

Crime levels are lower in the U.S. and have trended that way for some time. PavePusher Feb 2012 #93

How diifficult is it to convert a semi-automatic AK-47 knock-off to full auto? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #97

Very hard hack89 Feb 2012 #98

Very hard... how? boppers Feb 2012 #111

Automatic rifles are regulated at the component level hack89 Feb 2012 #112

A whole.... day! You don't say. boppers Feb 2012 #115

By a skilled machinest. With expensive tools hack89 Feb 2012 #117

Have you ever read one of those manuals? Dr_Scholl Feb 2012 #121

63K, over how many years? I'd bet more cars get taken over illegally. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #108

I'm not sure over how many years, whether it's since 2005 or 2007 or what. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #114

Not all those weapons were seized from cartel affiliates. PavePusher Feb 2012 #119

I imagine a sign reading "No more weapons" would indeed LanternWaste Feb 2012 #122