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In reply to the discussion: Jimmy Carter: Jury made ‘right decision’ [View all]I'm reading the statute:
1. The unlawful killing of a human being. This has to be proven it was unlawful. We know a human being was killed by Zimmerman.
1) premeditated is debatable
2) f,g,n,o and q (kidnapping,Escape,aggravated stalking,murder of another human being,
aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death) are all elements that are debatable. Take your pick?
(2). the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of a particular individual is murder in the second degree
and constitutes the felony of the first degree, punishment by a term not exceeding life.
1. George Zimmerman did kill Trayvon Martin. That is a proven fact. Was it lawful or unlawful?
2. Why did George Zimmerman cause the death of Trayvon Martin? George Zimmerman thought Trayvon Martin was suspicous and reported that on a 911 call. In the 911 call, George Zimmerman described Trayvon Martin as an Ahole,punk, and up to no good. He also described Trayvon Martin comming towards his vehicle and saying, What is this guy's deal. He then claimed Martin had something in his hands and looked like he was on drugs or something. He also described Martin circling his vehicle.
That whole conversation indicates ill will towards Martin. Zimmerman went on to say, Trayvon Martin ran. In fact in his words, "Oh shit, he is running." There was evidence Zimmerman took off after Martin, (door bells chiming) and the 911 operator verifying he did. He was advised not to. Even though he said OK, didn't prove he did. He was also heard cursing, these Aholes or [punks always get away). It further shows ill will towards Martin and his obsession about Martin getting away. Those are elements of a depraved mind.
The elements for concerns of human life and imminent danger, has to consider the actions of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin when it comes to intent and what both persons were thinking or their actions, which can reasonably be inferred.
George Zimmerman did not only aggressively pursue Trayvon Martin, but he did it with a Deadly weapon (gun) which was already loaded and placed in firing position. his excuse was that he always carry a gun in his holster, loaded and ready to fire. I don't know any prudent person that does that, or any safety expert that would recommend that? He intended to use that gun from the moment he went after Martin.
Martin on the other hand had reasonable concerns to believe George Zimmerman was an imminent danger to him. When George Zimmerman didn't identify himself and took out after him as soon as he ran, illustrates, that he had some apprehension of Zimmerman.
Jeantel brings it out even more what Martin thought of Zimmerman by describing Zimmerman as some crazy white cracker, following him. Martin sure thought Zimmerman was depraved. He is the one being pursued by Zimmerman.
Furthermore there is no evidence Martin turned back to hunt down Zimmerman, but from Zimmerman. The incident began again when Martin was on his cell phone with Jeantel, not him sneaking up on Zimmerman. I don't think Martin circled back and just dropped his cell phone to attack Zimmerman. If he was doing that Zimmerman would have heard him talking on his cell phone with Jeantel. What the evidence favors is Zimmerman snuck up on Martin, because he was so obsessed with him getting away.
It even furthur indicates that, when he abruptly decided not to give his address to the 911 operater because he was afraid Martin would hear him. It indicates he thought Martin was still around and he was searching for him, with a loaded gun. It just matters if you believe Zimmerman's lies.
There are also other records of 911 calls, that Zimmerman had an obsession with catching certain persons. He placed Trayvon Mrtin into that same category, even though he knew nothing about Trayvon Martin.
What is ignored is Trayvon's Martin's rights to defend himself against Zimmerman, who afterall had a loaded gun. That is like the rapist blaming the victim. Whatever life threatening injuries, even though Zimmerman claims, did not exist. The only life threatening wound in the whole altercation was from a deadly weapon, which Zimmerman did not hesitate to use as his first and only method of self defense as indicated by Trayvon's injuries.
Just because Zimmerman had more injuries, does not mean Trayvon started the altercation or Zimmerman was ever fighting in self defense. All it means, is he was fighting to subdue Martin for resisting him. Trayvon's last words according to her, Was, "What are you following me for", and Zimmerman responding what are you doing around here.
She also claim the communication went weak, and she heard the sound of wet grass and Trayvon saying Get off me. I believe her. And if you believe her, that is evidence, George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin, and never assumed the rights to self defense.
I also don't believe John Good could possibly see or heard anything in the details he gave, because of the weather conditions and the lighting. He is the only witness claiming such details. Even George Zimmerman claimed it was too Dark. He couldn't even see addresses or where Martin came from. This is the same witness claiming that he told both persons to stop. He also waited awhile until he thought they got serious. He never mentioned Zimmerman said anything to him, but he did hear Zimmerman calling for help and getting beat MMA style as suggested by Detective Serino. That is why I don't believe John Good. It is too in sinc with Zimmerman's claims of self defense and the theme from Detective Serino. If Zimmerman was getting beat to death by this kid, I'm pretty sure Good would have stepped in and stopped it. I don't think he would have let Martin beat Zimmerman to death while he stood there watching. Serino also dismissed himself from the case, after Zimmerman was charged.
Zimmerman also claims he only shot Martin after Martin went for his loaded gun. The only way Martin could have known Zimmerman's gun was loaded, is if Zimmerman was pointing it at Martin and threatening him with it first. There is too many holes in Zimmerman's story and some quite frankly is ridiculous.