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65. Not sure where you're getting your information but it's not accurate.

Sat Jul 20, 2013, 12:10 PM

Jul 2013

NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls

"The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls, a participant in the briefing said.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed on Thursday that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee. "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/

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NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say [View all] think Jul 2013 OP

Above the law... wtmusic Jul 2013 #1

To be chanllenged in court Cryptoad Jul 2013 #24

Why the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, of course. wtmusic Jul 2013 #26

Collecting Data and Searching Cryptoad Jul 2013 #31

If you say so, Ace. wtmusic Jul 2013 #36

YOur point reinforces Cryptoad Jul 2013 #41

Not sure where you're getting your information but it's not accurate. wtmusic Jul 2013 #65

Wrong analog - this would be like the post office saving the return address and the to address karynnj Jul 2013 #62

. wtmusic Jul 2013 #66

You are mistaken thefool_wa Jul 2013 #40

NO,,,, there is no logic that could Cryptoad Jul 2013 #42

There is no decision regarding the massive, invasive collection of data on the scale that the NSA JDPriestly Jul 2013 #56

Two things Cryptoad Jul 2013 #58

Being challenged in court is what determines if it is an illegal act. JoeyT Jul 2013 #33

I think you are reading more into it than there is Cryptoad Jul 2013 #35

I think the administration's view is that a court cannot even consider it because it is protected JDPriestly Jul 2013 #57

The Meta Data collected is archieved so it can be search by warrant at a later date. Cryptoad Jul 2013 #59

The mere act of collecting information is prohibited under the Wiretap Act. wtmusic Jul 2013 #67

+1. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #44

And yet magically we can't know if it is illegal, because nobody can challenge it in court... limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #53

Nobody has said you can't petition the courts about the legality of this . nt Cryptoad Jul 2013 #60

Are you joking? Cases have been rejected for lack of standing. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #63

It just has to be alleged to be an illegal act. An argument has to be made, and you have to have JDPriestly Jul 2013 #55

The content of these conversation is not being collected and saved Cryptoad Jul 2013 #61

If you have the metadata, you can easliy figure out what is being said. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #72

No public oversight = tyranny Android3.14 Jul 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author ladjf Jul 2013 #3

yet another story.... dtom67 Jul 2013 #4

What are we fighting for? avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #5

I have seen the enemy. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #45

... Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #6

In the run-up to the 2008 election... FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #7

And I fought those detractors tooth and nail ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #15

But I'm sure they meant that they were above the law...... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #8

Oh my fucking god. The Stranger Jul 2013 #9

Greasing the skids for the next GOPee Administration. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #46

No law of the land SamKnause Jul 2013 #10

Congress can change the law Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #23

DC: By, and for, the 1% ONLY. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #47

How quaint! City Lights Jul 2013 #11

If we can't challenge things in court, then what can we do? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #12

The President pals around with a number of high-profile NAR/Christian Dominionists. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #48

In the public interest, huh? That's great, Mr. President, because truth2power Jul 2013 #13

Just remember tazkcmo Jul 2013 #14

Alrighty then. Solly Mack Jul 2013 #16

if it cannot be challenged in court - that proves it is completely legal, right? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17

Expecting that to be the main argument in 3, 2, 1.... nt Pholus Jul 2013 #19

11-Dimensional Bull$hit, blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #49

Exactly. Plus the BFEE* Walk Free. Octafish Jul 2013 #74

Cannot be challenged in court--what does that leave? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #18

Excellent question /nt think Jul 2013 #20

We Be "Above The Law", so Nyaaa, Nyaaa ... you can no longer seek "justice" in US courts anymore. nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #21

They're paying attention to us! Chef Eric Jul 2013 #22

... PD Turk Jul 2013 #25

They can say any thing they want. That doesn't make it so. The Executive Branch 1monster Jul 2013 #27

Read it and weep. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #28

I do... think Jul 2013 #38

Actually, I don't think even one person responding did. Hosnon Jul 2013 #52

You've sure got some strange concepts of legal systems over there. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #29

Our "Rights" only exist when they don't threaten the rich ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #50

Shit. This is who I campaigned and voted for? Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #30

This displeases me ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #32

Another term for this type of thing, is catch-22 daleo Jul 2013 #73

I welcome this conversation, JoeyT Jul 2013 #34

Disgusting that this invasive spying on Americans is going on under a Democratic administration. blackspade Jul 2013 #37

Not unexpected from this gang but, gee, thanks a pantload, Obummer. PSPS Jul 2013 #39

Police State blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #43

Sensationalist b.s. article sweeping the internet. Hosnon Jul 2013 #51

Look 5 posts up ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #68

What gives an administration, the executive branch, the authority to decide what is constitutional JDPriestly Jul 2013 #54

They're not given that authority ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #69

Under their rationale for why there is a lack of standing, what is the difference in real world TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #76

Bush administration attacked other countries, Obama administration attacks this country avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #64

This is NO LONGER a democracy. Imagine if the same was said by a President Palin. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #70

No one is above the law kick. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #71

I guess that taking these from everyone could get a bit expensive, Trillo Jul 2013 #75

the (telephone routing) data belongs to the phone company .nt quadrature Jul 2013 #77