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Igel

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27. IT's France.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

A lot of their secularism is rooted in staunch anti-clericalism. The idea was to reduce the Church's authority and power to zero by removing it not only from government but largely from the public sphere. It worked.

However there's also a government purpose in limiting the full face-covering and a number of states have tussled with this in the courts. The results before I tuned out were mixed. In one case I remember the woman was allowed to be a MBO (mobile black object) on her drivers license. You can see how that would be a problem. How do you prove that the MBO in the car is the MBO in the drivers license? What good's the ID for identification?

In another state, a woman was told that objection or not, she had to have her face photographed for her ID and, if stopped, had to show her face to the police officer.

Don't remember how that was resolved.

Public safety in general shouldn't be an issue. Granted, militants have cross-dressed to escape or to infiltrate (nothing like a burqa-wearing bomber that has to use the men's room). But all kinds of masks get used. As long as there's a requirement that, if asked by somebody in authority presenting sufficient credentials it can be lowered with an uprising, that should suffice.

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odd how men DO NOT have to wear full face masks isn't it? nt msongs Jul 2013 #1
Good. MrNJ Jul 2013 #2
Well said, JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #18
It's not really a "veil ban." It's a ban of face-veils, masks, etc., whether worn pnwmom Jul 2013 #3
Tolerating intolerance will destroy the fabric of secular societies. A line in the sand snagglepuss Jul 2013 #4
Culture of peace has another paradoxical reaction. n/t cosmicone Jul 2013 #5
OP, would you support on a ban on veils in the US? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #6
Clothing: not always speech. alp227 Jul 2013 #7
The public safety argument seems like a subterfuge... Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #11
Nope. Full face veils and burqas are not religious. They are nowhere in the Quran riderinthestorm Jul 2013 #13
Tell that to the women who want to wear them. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #20
IT's France. Igel Jul 2013 #27
In Virginia sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #10
Full face veils are cultural, not religious. They are not a required religious garment riderinthestorm Jul 2013 #12
Ban on veils is papa3times Jul 2013 #8
so do you think the US should follow suit? n/t azurnoir Jul 2013 #9
The only time people should be The Wizard Jul 2013 #14
but the face veil is a disguise some are even see through azurnoir Jul 2013 #19
They have the right to relocate The Wizard Jul 2013 #15
you mean like the US were face veils are allowed? azurnoir Jul 2013 #24
If France didn't want Muslims, maybe they should not have forcibly colonized Muslim countries Ash_F Jul 2013 #16
Is it the women who wear the veils who are objecting or the men who want them to wear the veil? Happyhippychick Jul 2013 #17
"Muslim women flout French ban of veil after court fines two women" Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #21
Thank you CG! Happyhippychick Jul 2013 #22
Supposedly they want to protect women from being told what to do. Ash_F Jul 2013 #23
Good. Women need to be told how to dress and how not to dress. ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #25
I think women should be allowed to dress how they please. bravenak Jul 2013 #26
I think people navigating public space should dress appropriately. alp227 Jul 2013 #32
Who gets to decide what's appropriate? bravenak Jul 2013 #34
Totally racist. jessie04 Jul 2013 #28
I thought it was a sweeping ban on full face coverings in public. alp227 Jul 2013 #31
What if a culture dictates that I should wear a face covering, even when I go Heywood J Jul 2013 #36
Not racist. Muslims are of all races including whites. "Bigoted" would be a more accurate term. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #37
What a difficult issue to legislate and enforce maxsolomon Jul 2013 #29
Reminds me of catholic school being told how to dress usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #30
Who gets to set the limits religious freedom stops at? JoeyT Jul 2013 #33
"The objection is that they're being forced to look at them, and they'll usually admit as much." alp227 Jul 2013 #35
I don't pass a lot of women with JoeyT Jul 2013 #38
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