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matthews

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22. And what issue would that be? He's already given a bye to the business mandate
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

end of the deal. And yet, the individual mandate stands. And employers have been given the amazing option of offering junk insurance, insurance that would be totally WORTHLESS in the event of a hospitalization.

The ACA did manage to make certain that the insurance industry will get a boatload of new business, regardless of whether the insurance is any good or if the deductibles and co-pays are so high you still can't afford to use it. And it guaranteed that we will never be able to negotiate prescription costs in this country. Never.

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Employers are increasingly recognizing they may be able to avoid certain penalties under the federal health law by offering very limited plans that can lack key benefits such as hospital coverage.

Benefits advisers and insurance brokers—bucking a commonly held expectation that the law would broadly enrich benefits—are pitching these low-benefit plans around the country. They cover minimal requirements such as preventive services, but often little more. Some of the plans wouldn't cover surgery, X-rays or prenatal care at all. Others will be paired with limited packages to cover additional services, for instance, $100 a day for a hospital visit.

Tex-Mex restaurant chain El Fenix is looking to offer limited plans.

Federal officials say this type of plan, in concept, would appear to qualify as acceptable minimum coverage under the law, and let most employers avoid an across-the-workforce $2,000-per-worker penalty for firms that offer nothing. Employers could still face other penalties they anticipate would be far less costly.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324787004578493274030598186.html

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Such policies would generally cost far less to provide than paying the penalty or providing more comprehensive benefits, say benefit-services firms.

Administration officials confirmed in interviews that the skinny plans, in concept, would be sufficient to avoid the across-the-workforce penalty. Several expressed surprise that employers would consider the approach.

Firms now offering low-cost policies known as mini-meds, generally plans that cap benefits at low levels, could favor the tactic. Companies sought federal health department waivers to cover nearly four million with mini-meds and other similar plans, which will be barred next year. Some employers are "thinking of this as a replacement for the mini-med plan," said Tracy Watts, national leader for health-care reform at Mercer, a consulting unit of Marsh & McLennan Cos.

San Antonio-based Bill Miller Bar-B-Q, a 4,200-worker chain, will replace its own mini-med with a new, skinny plan in July. The new plan... will cover only preventive services, six annual doctors' visits and generic drugs. X-rays and tests at a local urgent care chain will also be covered. It wouldn't cover surgeries or hospital stays.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/may/some-employers-insurers-conspire-on-bare-bones-plans

I worked for a place part-time that offered their employees one of those crap policies. Almost to a 'man' the people who had those policies dumped them while most people never signed up for them anyway. When push came to shove, not only were they paying out money that they needed for crap that was worthless, when something like appendicitis or tonsilitis came along (common illnesses both) the freaking insurance didn't cover it anyway.

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Hopefully he can channel some of the passion in his "race speech" to the issues Doctor_J Jul 2013 #1
At this point in the game, he should just coast, as his speeches are enough to make people cry. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #2
The economy has improved "since" he became President. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #3
Another 'liberal' who misses the days of George W Bush. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10
That nonsense about 'missing' bush is gotten a little old and shopworn. No onel matthews Jul 2013 #11
"the reality of what the nation has become since he has been President should make him cry" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13
Neither is anyone who favors putting the safety net up for cuts, matthews Jul 2013 #17
"continuing to loot the Social Security trust fund" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #18
Real good comeback you got there. matthews Jul 2013 #20
U mad bro? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21
No, not at all. Just disappointed and dismayed at the juvenile level of conversation matthews Jul 2013 #23
Well said. woo me with science Jul 2013 #26
It's wasted on the Fan Club Doctor_J Jul 2013 #24
Apparently so. Someone asked me for 'proof' the other day that the NSA is matthews Jul 2013 #25
GDP Growth For The Current Quarter DallasNE Jul 2013 #4
You know what scares me even more than Congressional obstruction? matthews Jul 2013 #12
Summers Know His Stuff DallasNE Jul 2013 #16
NOTHING good has ever come from anything old Larry has ever touched. matthews Jul 2013 #19
Doing what he does best, give speeches. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #5
+1 forestpath Jul 2013 #9
He should be on the attack about the filibuster and Boehner's House of Rep being bogged down! dmosh42 Jul 2013 #6
Among other things. Here is what I would like to see him do Doctor_J Jul 2013 #7
Agreed, but unfortunately our Dem leaders are pretty passive on the important issues. dmosh42 Jul 2013 #8
First think I'd like to see him do is CANCEL all these trade treaties and pacts. matthews Jul 2013 #14
He can do that second Doctor_J Jul 2013 #15
And what issue would that be? He's already given a bye to the business mandate matthews Jul 2013 #22
Been here one week, and you already got a post hidden Kolesar Jul 2013 #27
Well aren't you just the cleverest little thing? I supposed you think that's matthews Jul 2013 #29
Mr. Returnee...eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #30
I'm just crushed sweetie. I just don't KNOW how I'll get along without matthews Jul 2013 #32
Nobody is forcing you to participate here Kolesar Jul 2013 #33
I am going to improve the way I'm spending my time. matthews Jul 2013 #36
Do you run this place? Does everyone give a damn what you think? matthews Jul 2013 #38
Bwahahahaha! I must be in Fan Club Central. matthews Jul 2013 #34
Your second paragraph is a lie Kolesar Jul 2013 #28
NONE of what I said is a lie. And I prefer Bloomberg, matthews Jul 2013 #31
Mr. WSJ Kolesar Jul 2013 #35
I'll be damned, I did. But I didn't get it from the matthews Jul 2013 #37
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