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23. Most of this argument isn't in the right place. Resolution requires that the
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
Feb 2012

following be addressed.

1. Does the Constutition grant Congress (throough Article I) or the President (through Article II) the authority to make this decision.

If it rests with Article II (and that's unlikely), the debate is over because Congress would lack the authority to to limit inherent Presidential authority without a Constitutional amendment.

2. If it's extended to Congress via Article I (more likely), has there been a Constitutional delegation of powers to the Executive Branch. Plenty of Presidential actions have been struck down because Congress lacked the authority to delegate certain powers, or had the authority but failed to do so Constitutionally.

These are probably going to be decided when the USSC rules on HCR this spring. It's uncertain what Justice Kennedy will decide, but likely that he will be the dispositive vote.

Finally, if it passes the above, the other Constitutional question will be if the decision runs up against, or is supported by, Constitutional powers of the states, or rights of the people. If so, how must they be balanced to pass Constitutional muster.

I said "Finally" because it's highly unlikely that the USSC (any USSC actually) would look at everything and jump to a decree a fundamental right to uncompensated reproductive care - quite a leap from Griswald v. Connecticut (381 U.S. 479 (1965), the case that established that birth control decisions between married couples was none of the governments' business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut). If it's ultimately legal, then the question of course shifts from "can you" to "should you" and that falls to a political question that the courts avoid as the lane in the road for elected branches of government. In that case, it falls back to what provisions are put in various statutes and can bounce back & forth with the political seasons.

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"..and deny women the ability to share their perspective.” duhneece Feb 2012 #1
not WTF. It's GOP. easy to confuse the two... n/t Gore1FL Feb 2012 #3
hah! that would get a heart eyewall Feb 2012 #12
Jump the shark? The GOP did that years ago. What now? Faygo Kid Feb 2012 #2
crucial Alternet article on what this jump back on birth control means yurbud Feb 2012 #54
And Republican women Senators didn't protest because??... truth2power Feb 2012 #4
Self loathing women? Some kind of Stockholm Syndrome?? left coaster Feb 2012 #6
because they, like most other republicans, prefer hating and losing to not hating and winning saras Feb 2012 #9
love the Political Positions Spectrum!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #34
Love it! nt Mojorabbit Feb 2012 #39
Nice. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #42
Serena Joy Syndrome? lolly Feb 2012 #18
It's amazing what money will buy ... (n/t) Nihil Feb 2012 #47
why aren't Democratic MALE senators and others decrying this? spooky3 Feb 2012 #5
THANK YOU! EXACTLY. But, are you really that surprised? nt left coaster Feb 2012 #7
They're probably just standing back so as not to get blood spattered lunatica Feb 2012 #8
I want them to get angry, too! spooky3 Feb 2012 #11
So do I but their silence doesn't mean indifference lunatica Feb 2012 #25
The point is not that women are weak. spooky3 Feb 2012 #32
I think you understand my point lunatica Feb 2012 #36
it's indifference TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #58
"No one with any brains wants to get in the way of angry women." CrispyQ Feb 2012 #45
Maybe you should take your tirade to the men lunatica Feb 2012 #50
I am taking it to the men. To democratic men. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #53
+ a gazillion!! nt chervilant Feb 2012 #16
Precisely! This is not just a "women's issue!" Chorophyll Feb 2012 #22
I'm sure they're supportive in the Halls of Congress and The Senate lunatica Feb 2012 #28
Really old feminists are Alcibiades Feb 2012 #29
Oh, you 'gals.' Don't drop your aspirin. onehandle Feb 2012 #10
yes, Andrea's face was priceless on hearing Sanitorium's handler wordpix Feb 2012 #15
is she ever not speechless? tooeyeten Feb 2012 #44
Where are the Democratic men..... zentrum Feb 2012 #13
Where are the Democratic men..... zentrum Feb 2012 #14
"Reid needs to hold a hearing on women's health." Beartracks Feb 2012 #21
I guarantee Democratic men are quite involved lunatica Feb 2012 #26
I find that to be a very sexist way of spooky3 Feb 2012 #33
Now I'm sexist?! lunatica Feb 2012 #37
Nobody is trying to "rescue" you... dogknob Feb 2012 #46
Maybe you should take your fight where it will actually be against the enemy lunatica Feb 2012 #51
Somebody, chervilant Feb 2012 #17
Well millions of women are telling him what ISN'T a real apology and his ISN'T. lunatica Feb 2012 #27
Well, chervilant Feb 2012 #31
Why are they acting like there are no liberal women clergy? intheflow Feb 2012 #19
Why are they acting as though the 'clergy' should make women's choices? csziggy Feb 2012 #41
I'm not disagreeing with you. intheflow Feb 2012 #48
Oh, they did allow two female religious persons to speak - later csziggy Feb 2012 #49
my stepdaughter is studying to be a Reform rabbi. The Orthodox and Conservative branches CTyankee Feb 2012 #55
there are many conservative female Rabbis waddirum Feb 2012 #56
Yes, you are right. I am not Jewish but was under the impression that this was still the case. CTyankee Feb 2012 #57
"when pictures only came in black and white.”? Bah! Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #20
Most of this argument isn't in the right place. Resolution requires that the 24601 Feb 2012 #23
"Mommy, what's that?" Occulus Feb 2012 #35
It was a serious post. Devolving into sexual humor doesn't do the issue justice. 24601 Feb 2012 #38
If the men gave birth and fed babies Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #24
This is what women's rights is all about Alcibiades Feb 2012 #30
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