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33. Explain the diplomatic cables

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:45 PM

Jul 2013

Why leak the diplomatic cables? All that did was embarrass the country. I'm so sick of idealism. We live in the real world.
As for atrocities, they have occurred in every single American war and will continue to occur. When we let politicians lie us into wars, accept the lies and even support them, and then get outraged when the nasty details are discovered then the true blame lies with us. Why isn't their any outrage at all of this phony news outlets that didn't ask any questions about the Iraq war in the first place? And speaking of Manning, I'm pretty sure he didn't release cables that reflected favorably on anything the U.S. was doing. Like I said, he's a punk who wanted to make a name for himself. I'd sentence him to at least 20 years if I were the judge.

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BREAKING: Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy charge (guilty of 15 lesser charges) [View all] kpete Jul 2013 OP

NOT GUILTY ON AIDING THE ENEMY WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #1

Huge is right! Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #6

are you serious think_critically Jul 2013 #22

if you think Snowden has moral high ground, but Manning is a punk Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #32

It's the opposite... George II Jul 2013 #103

HEAR HEAR! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #150

Thanks for the comedy! HangOnKids Jul 2013 #34

Mirt Alert! Vanje Jul 2013 #57

What'sa Mirt? n/t man4allcats Jul 2013 #116

Malicious Intruder Removal Team Vanje Jul 2013 #118

+1! snot Jul 2013 #126

What purpose does leaking those cables serve? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #84

. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #142

What he leaked was a film of an Apache killing media persons and those that rushed to assist the laserhaas Jul 2013 #100

The helicopter-shooter massacre Vanje Jul 2013 #121

I will explain it. He is a hero to those of us that are fighting for our freedom and liberty. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #138

Manning isnt a hero but not a traitor either since he didnt do anything like knowingly provide cstanleytech Jul 2013 #143

we are surrounded by idiots. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #27

Explain the diplomatic cables think_critically Jul 2013 #33

Hah Hah Hah Hah HangOnKids Jul 2013 #37

don't know why think_critically Jul 2013 #48

Your writing is really poor and you should use paragraph breaks, I can't read your diatribe HangOnKids Jul 2013 #50

doing multiple things at once think_critically Jul 2013 #60

Wait a minute! Unknown Beatle Jul 2013 #89

of course they do think_critically Jul 2013 #92

Business, family and sports team Unknown Beatle Jul 2013 #97

"At least Snowden had the balls to actually quit what he was doing and leave the country." George II Jul 2013 #105

Yeah. Doc Holliday Jul 2013 #125

What does THAT have to do with this topic? George II Jul 2013 #135

Yeah, because the USA has assured us robbob Jul 2013 #141

"This is the problem with liberals in general. We can't see the forest for the trees" awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #123

I hope he gets time served! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #43

He's not getting time served. tumtum Jul 2013 #49

Leavenworth. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #61

Probably, now that he's been acquitted of the most serious charge. tumtum Jul 2013 #66

Right now he's housed in a pre-trial medium security 'pod' in Leavenworth, but his msanthrope Jul 2013 #71

Never had the "pleasure" of being a guest of Leavenworth during my time in the Army. tumtum Jul 2013 #77

He is being held in Ft. Myer, next to Arlington Cemetery Laughing Mirror Jul 2013 #98

That's for this court stint. His home prison for two years has been Leavenworth. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #108

You said that he is in Leavenworth 'right now" Laughing Mirror Jul 2013 #144

Mea culpa. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #146

The disciplinary barracks at Leavenworth are pretty much all maximum security. Angleae Jul 2013 #147

So he can stay at Leavenworth...just move across the street, then? nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #148

No. As a military prisoner he'd be incarcerated in a military prison. Angleae Jul 2013 #149

I think the judge will run the sentences concurrently and he'll serve about 20-25 years. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #64

Still too long. tumtum Jul 2013 #68

2-3 weeks I heard George II Jul 2013 #106

I will toss my guess in with yours, I think you are closer to the mark. MADem Jul 2013 #81

10 years with time served and DDC davidpdx Jul 2013 #136

That would be enough to provide the cautionary lesson, without being overly onerous. MADem Jul 2013 #137

I hope not! I pray that the judge will show mercy. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #83

+1000. tumtum Jul 2013 #86

Part way through the trial, the government promised the judge a higher position. snot Jul 2013 #127

Wow they are not even trying to hide it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #128

"I'm so sick of idealism" ljm2002 Jul 2013 #73

"wanted to make a name for himself"? He tried to stay anonymous muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #74

Plain and simple. cosmicone Jul 2013 #78

Why yes, we do live in the real world, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #95

OFFS NealK Jul 2013 #101

Maybe there weren't any bitchkitty Jul 2013 #140

I'm sure rtracey Jul 2013 #82

And myself... LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #90

Sorry not buying that rtracey Jul 2013 #93

Not buying what? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #110

Well said. NealK Jul 2013 #114

Where are all those claiming it was a "kangaroo court" and that he would be convicted? n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #28

Everyplace. former9thward Jul 2013 #69

Don't be disengenous. The main charge of being a "traitor", the one he was acquitted on. n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #112

What is disingenuous about 150 years? former9thward Jul 2013 #115

Don't dispair; he still faces a maximum 136 years in prison. snot Jul 2013 #129

Huge? Convicted of 19 other counts. Faces 100+ years in prison. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #45

really? huge rtracey Jul 2013 #96

Absolves Wikileaks, too. joshcryer Jul 2013 #139

But not guilty of aiding and abetting sharp_stick Jul 2013 #2

Not guilty on the most serious crime Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #3

Still hefty prison time in his future shedevil69taz Jul 2013 #8

The sentencing phase should be interesting. nt riqster Jul 2013 #14

the sentencing would be a joke if the judge compounds the offenses Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #40

Have to change the headline - "not guilty" of aiding the enemy. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #4

too fast of a story kpete Jul 2013 #10

You got that right! Too much coming out right now. BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #47

A dishonest statement. No surprise there. WH was asked to assist in redacting. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #5

No frontier00 Jul 2013 #7

And your source? William769 Jul 2013 #12

CNN: "COURT: MANNING DIDN'T AID ENEMY" n/t MindPilot Jul 2013 #16

Reading Incitatus Jul 2013 #19

You must be the FOX mole on DU. Rockholm Jul 2013 #23

sniff....Does it smell funny in here all the sudden? Vanje Jul 2013 #67

WTF? NealK Jul 2013 #109

Phew. This had huge ramifications for journalism. Gregorian Jul 2013 #9

News Flash frontier00 Jul 2013 #11

And you are not an authority on the profession of journalism. Maedhros Jul 2013 #20

No Shit HangOnKids Jul 2013 #42

Nor is anyone pretending to be one on CNN, FAUX or most of MSNBC & the major networks anymore ... Myrina Jul 2013 #46

What is your authority on the topic? ljm2002 Jul 2013 #75

confused here... NYT has this headline "Manning Acquitted of �Aiding the Enemy" Alameda Jul 2013 #13

He was founded not guilty of the most serious charge... iandhr Jul 2013 #18

I'm confused, too - In US civilian courts an acquittal ... Buenaventura Jul 2013 #56

WTF? What retrial? Brewinblue Jul 2013 #122

I pray the judge is merciful. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #15

+1 wtmusic Jul 2013 #17

"Time served" would more than satisfy me. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #21

That would be nice but not likely. Do you know how long he has served already? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #24

It has been more than three years since his arrest (May 2010) truebluegreen Jul 2013 #31

Hopefully the judge will take into account how he was treated. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #35

I'm hoping too. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #38

He was arrested 27 May 2010, so a bit over 3 yrs ago struggle4progress Jul 2013 #41

+1000 forestpath Jul 2013 #51

10 years max on most of the charges - Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #52

Most likely. I hope for the best. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #55

No parole, right? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #65

Clear vindication. Blue State Bandit Jul 2013 #25

He has right of appeal to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals. Divernan Jul 2013 #26

If I am not mistaken Mr. Manning has already pleaded guilty to most of the other grantcart Jul 2013 #30

Didn't the plea deal on the DOS cables Peregrine Jul 2013 #76

thank you. and yes, for time served, and how he was treated should factor into her decision Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #44

He cannot appeal his guilty pleas. hack89 Jul 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #29

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #36

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2013 #39

ouch.... kpete Jul 2013 #53

Live coverage continues on Democracy Now: coffeenap Jul 2013 #54

Thanks kpete Jul 2013 #59

Same to you--and extra thanks for all you do for us here. :) nt coffeenap Jul 2013 #63

Thanks or posting this link! Excellent! adirondacker Jul 2013 #91

Sounds like the court chalked the 'aiding' up to pure ignorance. railsback Jul 2013 #58

Classifying a document TOP SECRET by GoldenOldie Jul 2013 #62

Thanks goodness... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #70

K&R. Wow. This is a big deal. I hope he's sentenced to time served. myrna minx Jul 2013 #72

K&R midnight Jul 2013 #79

Misleading title! It should read "GUILTY on 10 charges, but acquittal on 1 charge" DontTreadOnMe Jul 2013 #80

YES! maddiemom Jul 2013 #85

UK Channel 4 News: "Has the way they treated Manning hurt the USA more than the leaks?" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #87

If revealing truth is a crime Marthe48 Jul 2013 #88

This is NOT GOOD NEWS. bvar22 Jul 2013 #94

the 'right thing' just happens to be illegal pasto76 Jul 2013 #119

The Declaration of Independence was "illegal" in 1776. bvar22 Jul 2013 #124

Great reply bvar22. I always look forward to your posts. U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #132

+1000 GrapesOfWrath Jul 2013 #134

Not happy with the ruling as a whole, but still glad about the acquittal on that particular charge Posteritatis Jul 2013 #131

Secrets in the military Signal_Corps Jul 2013 #99

You should have kept operation "attack the strawman" a secret. U4ikLefty Jul 2013 #133

The video released by Bradley Manning to Wikileaks - that started this whole affair laserhaas Jul 2013 #102

He isn't ever really going to have a life Wash. state Desk Jet Jul 2013 #104

Wonder if he regrets it all now - or not! laserhaas Jul 2013 #107

K & R ancianita Jul 2013 #113

Good. Now let's hope the next president will pardon him. Maven Jul 2013 #117

In the face of an increasingly secret and brutal American government..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2013 #120

+1! snot Jul 2013 #130

That charge never made sense anyway. Ash_F Jul 2013 #145