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53. Nope. More accidental shootings.

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:04 PM

Feb 2012

2000 statistics
Drowning and submersion while in or falling into bath-tub: 341

Crime...
[Accidental] Firearms discharge: 776
[Intentional] Firearms discharge (murder): 230
Legal intervention involving firearm discharge (killed by cop or firing squad): 270
Poisoning: 2,557
Event of undetermined intent: 3,819

total murder (including other categories): 16,765, which is reasonably close to the 15,586 listed at http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Intentional self-harm: 29,350

some trends...

Twice as many suicides with guns as murders with guns. Keeping guns out of the hands of potential suicides is more valuable than keeping guns out of the hands of murderers.

Twice as many accidental deaths with guns as murders with guns. Keeping gun accidents from happening is more valuable than keeping guns out of the hands of murderers.

Ten times as many poisonings as shootings. Concealed carry permits for cleaning products?

Hot tap water kills more people than poisonous snakes and lizards.

more at http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

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Pastor's Daughter Accidentally Shot at Church Dies [View all] SecularMotion Feb 2012 OP

I bet that the preacher didn't expect that to happen in his church. Sad situation. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #1

How Ironic Honest Turtle Feb 2012 #158

Here is a thought.. Maybe it was her time and god took her. Who knows? But you sure bring southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #163

You kinda just blamed god for killing her. octothorpe Feb 2012 #238

Well god does works in mysterious ways, doesn't he? On the other hand I do agree with you. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #239

Here's another thought: There is no god. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #268

Whatever you believe is your opinion. Just like assholes we all have one. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #269

Right. Just like it's your opinion that there is some Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #271

It's your right to disagree. I'm just throwing it out there. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #272

Because some idiot was negotiating a gun sale in the church. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #5

And how. Warpy Feb 2012 #8

+infinity KG Feb 2012 #16

This. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #21

+2 sarcasmo Feb 2012 #25

Probably because someone negligently pulled the trigger. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Feb 2012 #36

In a church? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #41

Doesn't make the gun more or less likely to go off. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #42

Which part of completely inappropriate do you not get? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #44

Would you prefer he left it in his car, the headline read 'gun stolen from church parking lot'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #55

"People carry. It's ok" Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #60

and defending this abomination would be one of them. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #76

Nice strawman you've erected there. LAGC Feb 2012 #81

The gun didn't shoot itself. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #101

You are arguing against a point the poster did not make. Gore1FL Feb 2012 #133

I missed the part where I defended the killing, or the manner of the gun sale. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #88

Sorry, I don't think "carrying" is "normal' Zookeeper Feb 2012 #96

I'm not going to flame you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #117

Agreed. i wouldn't even GO to a public place if I thought people were carrying. eom tledford Feb 2012 #182

Since your profile says NC, I assume you don't go out much...? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #188

It's warped to suggest that a gun getting stolen is just as bad as someone getting killed CreekDog Feb 2012 #110

Stolen guns usually lead to exactly that, and in many cases, more than one person getting killed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #113

I guess you missed the part about Jesus and the money changers. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #250

One of these things is not like the other... AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #252

The principle is the same. They weren't just changing money, they were also selling animals. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #255

How so, "completely inappropriate", assuming you are refering to the location? PavePusher Feb 2012 #63

so a church is an appropriate place to sell a gun? Seriously? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #149

I don't see why not. PavePusher Feb 2012 #165

You "don't see why not"... brentspeak Feb 2012 #230

"unsupervised gun sale"? What is that? Who should be supervising? PavePusher Feb 2012 #232

+100 crim son Feb 2012 #138

Nope! There'll be more; so churchgoers can protect themselves! Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #196

What's so special about a church? Had it been in a Kroger parking lot snooper2 Feb 2012 #233

no gun sales at a krogers or a basketball court are also inappropriate. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #237

what churches actually are and what you describe them as "supposed to be" snooper2 Feb 2012 #240

Yes you should have given all your neighbors clear warning. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #241

Yes. A church has protected tax exempt status. Commerce is prohibited. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #256

The church wasn't selling guns an indivdual was--- snooper2 Feb 2012 #258

The church is not the appropriate place for individuals to buy and sell either. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #260

The church itself is selling shit all day every day snooper2 Feb 2012 #261

Its the church's business to allow or not allow such things. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #51

Its the church's business to allow or not allow such things. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #77

It is NOT the law's business to discriminate against churches however. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #97

If one can keep and bear arms on private property AlbertCat Feb 2012 #102

If you say so. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #107

And how much would you scream if they did exactly that? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #141

"a well regulated militia being neccessary" is the part the gun crowd conveniently ignores leftyohiolib Feb 2012 #164

No, we don't ignore it. PavePusher Feb 2012 #166

Well Regulated meant something different in 18th century english. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #177

Pretty huge sample size you have there. I guess all but one gun is safe. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #131

The type, brand, model of gun doesn't matter if someone wasn't following basic gun safety. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #136

Do you usually keep the gun loaded during a gun sale? itsrobert Mar 2012 #267

Not intentionally, but I know I wouldn't pull the trigger without... aikoaiko Mar 2012 #270

"armed idiots' amuse bouche Feb 2012 #49

+1 Irishonly Feb 2012 #92

Why do we need guns in church? Is this a RW Gun Cult thing? jpak Feb 2012 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #19

Even in the crapper izquierdista Feb 2012 #26

. rocktivity Feb 2012 #28

Butt you has to be a crack shot. NT. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #45

Why do we need church? sarcasmo Feb 2012 #27

+1. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #40

+1 AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #43

Quite a few people feel the need to be told what and how to think Major Nikon Feb 2012 #108

so we can maintain gun sales, silly. Javaman Feb 2012 #156

+1 lanlady Feb 2012 #218

don't know, but what totalitarian a-hole would propose a law to make it illegal aikoaiko Feb 2012 #34

but what totalitarian a-hole would propose a law to make it illegal AlbertCat Feb 2012 #78

Nobody wants deaths like this happen anywhere. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Feb 2012 #79

Just recently, some state legalized conceal carry in church. caseymoz Feb 2012 #72

my condolences to the family and church members. niyad Feb 2012 #4

Making a mistake, and committing gross negligence. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #46

a responsible gun owner would have AlbertCat Feb 2012 #80

You don't know where he came from or where he was going after. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #89

Any gathering of people is potentially a target of some lunatic. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #103

That is why some of us AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #115

Paranoid much? atreides1 Feb 2012 #257

Extremely. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #259

How sad. proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #6

Stupid fucking idiots n/t tabasco Feb 2012 #7

"Investigators have said Moises Zambrana was showing his gun in a small closet rocktivity Feb 2012 #9

"The gun went off" NOT! TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #11

Here's what it looks like rocktivity Feb 2012 #18

Yeah, it sure looks like the slide locks back TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #134

Another republican gun christian in the closet tech_smythe Feb 2012 #15

While clinging, tightly, to your safeinOhio Feb 2012 #123

"No charges have been filed"... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #10

YET. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #47

how THE FUCK does this happen AT A FUCKING CHURCH!!!!! tech_smythe Feb 2012 #12

Why not, when it can happen in a classroom rocktivity Feb 2012 #22

That was exactly what came to my mind, too, when I read the post! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #59

Please enlighten us. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #30

Your are correct. safeinOhio Feb 2012 #124

Yep. He has probably Johnson20 Feb 2012 #137

Well, the one who was trying to do a gun deal in a church closet springs to mind. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #132

lol yep he would make the list. grantcart Feb 2012 #262

Has no-one ever needed to defend themselves in a church? PavePusher Feb 2012 #64

Has no-one ever needed to defend themselves in a church? AlbertCat Feb 2012 #84

African-American churches in the south, during the height of the Civil Rights movement.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #140

It only happens in church's that safeinOhio Feb 2012 #125

Seriously? So this was self defense? I will risk a jury and straight up call you a moron. Tunkamerica Feb 2012 #263

If you re-read what I said, and what I was responding to.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #264

Is it just me, or has American culture been getting increasingly absurd? wial Feb 2012 #13

No its not just you. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #31

Yeah, it's just you. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #48

seemingly innocuous things can get people killed. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #82

Or bodies of water. Or a set of stairs. Or a balcony. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #91

You know, all things that kill more people in ACCIDENTS every year, AlbertCat Feb 2012 #104

I thought we were talking about accidents here? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #114

3 poorly designed baby cribs kill children every year safeinOhio Feb 2012 #127

Magazine disconnects are pretty common now. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #129

Article headline reads "Woman, 20, Dies After Freak Fla. Church SHOOTING" brentspeak Feb 2012 #229

At least driving a car requires a license and passing a test. safeinOhio Feb 2012 #126

"going to a government office and paying a fee." AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #236

Yep, its just you. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #50

No. It's me too. tblue Feb 2012 #61

Fucking Guns otohara Feb 2012 #14

To be fair the majority are responsible tech_smythe Feb 2012 #17

The majority are responsible? abelenkpe Feb 2012 #20

there are 330 million people in this country... the majority still are responsible tech_smythe Feb 2012 #23

It happens a lot less than people drowning in their bathtub. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #33

Nope. More accidental shootings. saras Feb 2012 #53

Fair enough. I should have just said "drowning", which is nearly 1000% more than firearm discharge. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #56

The point is, there are so many things in this world that are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #85

That is a matter of opinion. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #87

Maybe I am misusing it then? AlbertCat Feb 2012 #105

OR, it's life safety device, retained for the protection of human life. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #118

false dichotomy fail Major Nikon Feb 2012 #111

well said.... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #150

This is about accidental deaths with firearms. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #94

bathtub drownings don't make the headlines???? waddirum Feb 2012 #194

80+ million gun owners. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #52

News stories aren't the actual trends Posteritatis Feb 2012 #65

Can you do basic math? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #66

Considering the shear number of people who own guns... NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #95

Locked Up At Home? otohara Feb 2012 #24

the majority are responsible and know to leave their weapons unloaded, safety on, and locked up AlbertCat Feb 2012 #83

Typically the safeties are not on if the gun is unloaded. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #160

Yeah. I hate 'em and I'm not ashamed to say it. tblue Feb 2012 #62

Well, we DO needs guns in church. And state capitols. That's what the people, all 5 of them, want.nt valerief Feb 2012 #29

Raise your hand if you knew it was Florida midnight armadillo Feb 2012 #32

I was expecting Texas.... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #54

Regional bigotry, alive and well on DU. How.... sad. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #67

I am willing to bet the pastor is himself a gun nut Doctor_J Feb 2012 #37

As ye sow. . . . The sowing comes before the reaping, nt tblue37 Feb 2012 #70

Clearly, someone handled a gun negligently. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #38

Four simple rules AlbertCat Feb 2012 #86

Good luck with that. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #100

Good luck with that. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #106

As was and is your right to do so. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #109

While there are 4 basic rules, safeinOhio Feb 2012 #128

I agree with your general point about the purpose of gun laws. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #139

WWJP onehandle Feb 2012 #39

I loved your picture left on green only Feb 2012 #73

So that's where they got the idea for "Yosemite Sam" Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #266

Good one! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #173

God is an asshole Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #57

Guns don't kill people... LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #171

Her fiance was the one wanting to buy it. I wonder if he's the idiot who pulled the trigger bloomington-lib Feb 2012 #58

This happened secondvariety Feb 2012 #68

If only someone was allowed concealed carry in a church then they could have prevented this ... Nihil Feb 2012 #69

What a horrible accident. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #71

Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) safghjtykt Feb 2012 #74

Alerted as spam. rocktivity Feb 2012 #75

Praise the Lord she died with her 2nd Ammendment rights intact. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #90

I cannot stress this enough - know your weapon. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #93

You should never carry a gun like that with a round chambered. Lasher Feb 2012 #116

Negative. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #119

That is inappropriate for my environment, and the one described in the article. Lasher Feb 2012 #122

My firearm has multiple safeties that allow me to leave the weapon in condition zero at all times. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #130

There are three safeties on my Model 1911. Lasher Feb 2012 #145

Four. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #178

But you said you were able to keep your weapon in Condition 0 Lasher Feb 2012 #180

Being a striker-fired weapon AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #184

"inappropriate for my environment" PavePusher Feb 2012 #143

No, I have no job-related requirement. Lasher Feb 2012 #147

No, sorry. Not at all what is taught/recommended... PavePusher Feb 2012 #142

Then you don't know the instructors I've known. Lasher Feb 2012 #148

Unless you can gurantee having two hands available in a defensive situation..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #151

I was trained by the Army to use a Model 1911 .45 caliber semi-automatic. Lasher Feb 2012 #170

For the record, I've spent 21+ years in the USAF. PavePusher Feb 2012 #172

Air Force? You folks were good helpers for us real soldiers in the Army. Lasher Feb 2012 #179

There is nothing unsafe about a C&L 1911. There are three operative safeties.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #192

The exception to that is when carrying for defense. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #153

The weapon is not ready to fire unless you disengage the safeties. Lasher Feb 2012 #155

The difference is you can disengage the safety with one hand. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #159

I was counting the half-cock fail-safe as a safety. Lasher Feb 2012 #174

Ah, that little stop about 2mm before the hammer is fully dropped. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #201

I rarely carry a handgun either. Lasher Feb 2012 #214

This is the tip of the iceberg Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #99

The odds on this must be INCREDIBLE. I don't believe it. juajen Feb 2012 #112

The unlikely circumstances here do call for... Mr_Jefferson_24 Feb 2012 #135

I've never quite understood the whole guns and church thing (or at least how they go together) fujiyama Feb 2012 #120

Churches are social gathering places as well as places of worship. PavePusher Feb 2012 #144

I'm responding. Tripod Feb 2012 #121

So this Kid's Life is the Sacrifice for Gunners rights to carry... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #146

The only person making that absurd claim.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #152

the ultimate sacrifice for your rights fascisthunter Feb 2012 #181

The two men handling the gun knew they were not supposed to do that in church. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #154

Is there a law to that effect in Florida? Can you cite to it? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #186

It doesn't need to be a law. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #190

They teach firearms classes in many churches. Many people carry defensive arms in churches. PavePusher Feb 2012 #193

Then you live in a very strange place. NutmegYankee Feb 2012 #200

Quite common in many places. Stand anywhere you wish. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #205

Anyone that carries a concealed weapon I have found Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #157

Empirical evidence seems to refute your unsupported assertions. PavePusher Feb 2012 #189

lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #195

Are you implying that H.B.'s claims were correct.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #197

Crushingly tragic. My heart goes out to her family for their loss. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #161

Are There Guns in Heaven? What about Ammo? solarman350 Feb 2012 #162

something fishy smells - doing a gun sale in a closet & then the girl is shot (outside the closet?) wordpix Feb 2012 #167

I was scrolling down to post the same thing. I thought the same word - "fishy." yardwork Feb 2012 #168

Extremely fishy! The guy who shot her "accidentally" ... was her own fiance!!? Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #175

Maybe we've just solved a murder mystery here on DU: Love Triangle; Jealousy; spurned by fiancee Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #176

the shooter was allegedly the guy showing gun to fiance wordpix Feb 2012 #220

That is so sad Marrah_G Feb 2012 #169

One of the saddest NOI4I Feb 2012 #183

Guns in a church Relentless Bitch Feb 2012 #185

No doubt trying to make an illegal sale? nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #187

"Illegal sale" how? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #191

if 2 guys are conducting a gun deal in a closet, it's probably illegal, that's how wordpix Feb 2012 #198

Feel free to cite the laws being broken that would indicate an illegal sale. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #199

PP, if this gun deal is legal, why is it being conducted in a church CLOSET? wordpix Feb 2012 #204

I'm assuming that they went into a closet/store-room with the intention of having a safer backstop.. PavePusher Feb 2012 #206

BTW, you have no proof of your assertions the sale was legal wordpix Feb 2012 #216

"the history of guns in churches"? Cite, please. Have guns never been used to defend churches? PavePusher Feb 2012 #219

here is just ONE citation with 18 separate incidents in 11 yrs. Look more up yourself wordpix Feb 2012 #221

If you were trying to demonstrate that churches should be prepared for defense..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #222

sigh, I guess we all just have to live with the US as the wild west wordpix Feb 2012 #223

Well, if you are going to base your assumptions off false memes... PavePusher Feb 2012 #224

Might be the only thread on DU this year LanternWaste Feb 2012 #202

So tired of acting like gun lovers are normal members of society DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #203

Instead of displaying virulent bigotry to lawful Citizens, perhaps you could explain.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #207

contemporary American churches are in dire need of motes, crenelated walls, and murder holes... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #210

Do you need for me to repeat myself? DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #211

No, your bigotry was quite clear the first time. PavePusher Feb 2012 #212

You need to learn what bigotry means, gunboy DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #213

I've lived on four continents and visted over 25 countries. I'm quite familiar with bigotry. PavePusher Feb 2012 #215

Smack-down scoring 3.5 out of 10 snooper2 Feb 2012 #242

Oh goody, the local hipster weighs in DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #243

Anytime! I really need to work on some more scoring categories snooper2 Feb 2012 #244

You are a very generous person. PavePusher Feb 2012 #246

No offense, but... brentspeak Feb 2012 #231

There's only one way I take mine into church... ileus Feb 2012 #225

There's only one way I take mine into church... ileus Feb 2012 #226

Predictably this thread is a clear demonstration of why there is a gungeon. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #208

Segregation? Remmah2 Feb 2012 #253

Idiocy. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #254

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #209

update wordpix Feb 2012 #217

Did anyone catch that the person in the closet buying the gun SaintPete Feb 2012 #227

I don't see "suspicious" unless you think the guys could see through walls. PavePusher Feb 2012 #228

More guns = death Evasporque Feb 2012 #234

Well.... unless you look at actual statistics, of course. PavePusher Feb 2012 #247

Tragic and unnecessary. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools. slackmaster Feb 2012 #235

I suspect foul play Taverner Feb 2012 #245

Negligence =/= "foul play". PavePusher Feb 2012 #248

I dunno - it's not that hard to hit a target on the other side of the wall... Taverner Feb 2012 #249

You always always always clear the chamber obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #251

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