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karynnj

(60,997 posts)
25. Not true
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:28 PM
Feb 2012

There are many reasons that polls can have built in bias, but no professionally done poll will simply poll only in certain areas. As to not knowing anyone polled, there are two explanations - one is simple mathematics. Most national polls have at most about 600 respondents. Consider how many polls of this size most be taken to cover even 1% of entire population. It should be rare to be polled. I am 61 and was polled just once. The other thing is that being polled is not all that exciting. It is possible that someone you know could have been polled and never mentioned it.

The reasons for built in bias is that even if they used the voter registration list - and it was too late to register, there would be the problem of non-response. That has risen greatly over the years. The assumption made - that the people in the multidimensional demographic group who are reached are the same as those not reached. A necessary and not all that bad an assumption when the non-response rate is low - a more troubling assumption when that rate becomes lower.

I would take Mass's comment at race value. She is from Massachusetts and has watched the polls over various elections and is clearly very knowledgeable in her comments. This may be a fluke, but the last poll that had her 3 ahead was down from the 7 ahead. You might want to follow the articles on Brown and Warren in the Massachusetts papers. This could be a blip because the Massachusetts papers all gave him full credit for the insider trading bill - and in fairness he and Gillibrand were the two who independently edited the House bill written by WA and NY Democrats. Their bills were referred to the Homeland Security committee where there were hearings and a combined bill - under the chair's name (Lieberman) was the bill that passed. To my knowledge - and I am NOT from Massachusetts no one in the MA media called him on his grandstanding and accosting the President to get Reid to take a vote on "his" bill. Brown may have come out as hard working, strong, principled etc - yet I would bet that is the behavior that likely leads to his peers labeling him a jerk.

What can be taken from BOTH of the last two polls is that Warren has yet to connect with the independents to the level needed. I think that the comment on the occupy movement was a self inflicted error - no matter how welcome it was here. There is no question that she is far more serious, principled, in line with Massachusetts than Brown. It is also likely true that Brown is the more natural politician - in some of the worst ways. Watch the video on the birth control amendment. He lied straight faced when called on its actual provisions. In addition, he is completely shameless in using the legacy of Ted Kennedy - here and at the groundbreaking of his building. (Note that Kerry, friend for 30 plus years and for whom Kennedy was a mentor, when asked after Kennedy's death if he would fill Teddy's role in the Senate. His answer - no one could, but that he would work hard for the same ideals.)

I think Warren needs to do a lot more to reach more people personally in Massachusetts and needs to be able to articulate what things she wants to do. I hope that she will be able to get some reluctant supporters who fear that that contest could mean the difference of McConnell or Reid. I hope that this poll is an aberration - taken at a Brown high and happening to pick up support on the high end.

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Can we dope slap everyone in Massachusetts? baldguy Feb 2012 #1
Chill down friend. This is ONE poll. Could be inaccurate. It's VERY early. SEE ME BELOW FOR MORE. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #32
Me thinks.............. Swede Atlanta Feb 2012 #2
Also Kelvin Mace Feb 2012 #4
When Mass voters wake up to Brown's Blount blunder peace frog Feb 2012 #9
I find this hard to believe Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #3
You're right, why limit it to Massachusetts? izquierdista Feb 2012 #5
"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it" TBF Feb 2012 #10
Brown... kenfrequed Feb 2012 #6
Name Recognition is the answer for the poll. kemah Feb 2012 #7
I welcome this poll. If we are lucky, it will be a wake up call from many dems Mass Feb 2012 #8
How does this work? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #14
I should have said "both candidates's negative" . Mass Feb 2012 #16
That makes more sense, but Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #21
" " " " " "n/t MBS Feb 2012 #23
This Senate Seat Is Winnable For The Dems...... global1 Feb 2012 #11
Depends on where they poll. Cleita Feb 2012 #12
Not true karynnj Feb 2012 #25
You are entitled to your opinion, but Cleita Feb 2012 #26
I worked for about 20 years primarily doing sampling forAT&T/Bell Labs karynnj Feb 2012 #27
I thought so, that you were in that area of Cleita Feb 2012 #28
Nice post. Here are some other important thoughts to note though: RBInMaine Feb 2012 #31
PLUS this poll company is Iliyah Feb 2012 #13
Not for MA. They were spot on for the two 2010 races (Sen and Gov). Mass Feb 2012 #15
Stay at home Dems, stay at home in November jpak Feb 2012 #17
oh whatever SaintPete Feb 2012 #20
Last week she was 7 points ahead graywarrior Feb 2012 #18
When did Massachusetts get that dumb? jwirr Feb 2012 #19
I don't know,but if Scott Brown wins, they'd better change their name to Dumbassachusetts virtualobserver Feb 2012 #22
if Dems can't even pick up this seat, i'm pretty sure we're losing the senate 0rganism Feb 2012 #24
That's a big if... CBHagman Feb 2012 #29
For christ sake this on ONE poll in Feb. & could be flawed. Just chill out. It is very, very early. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #33
I can't wait to see the debates. Fearless Feb 2012 #30
I am not worried.....Warren will win ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #34
If we can't win that one back, time to pull the plug Doctor_J Feb 2012 #35
That cannot be right. BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #36
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