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MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. You're playing the But But game.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
Aug 2013

But George Bush (who served one term; yeah, we love spooks as leaders...not)....but Bill Casey (who's dead and was NEVER the President of our country). That's ancient history. from a time when the Cold War wasn't regarded as over by some.

Pootie games the system and trades off the Presidency/Prime Minister jobs with a stoolie to retain power.

And you know, I find it very odd, after I pointed out how you get personally insulting when you try to make your points, and how that isn't the way to advance an argument--you DO IT AGAIN. Let's review your curious comments:



Perhaps you are not "jealous" of people not becoming American citizens, and choosing other countries, but you definitely have some emotion involved - "wounded pride" ? What did you feel when Bobby Fischer renounced his American citizenship ? Why do people at DU care that Ed Snowden might become Russian ?


Look, it doesn't bother me if Snowden wants to become Russian. or Venezuelan, or Icelandic. Mazeltov to him! Nice work if he can get it!

And Bobby Fischer? Perhaps you do not understand that he was an inveterate, hate-filled RACIST? Why in the WORLD would you think, for even a half-second, that I of all people would be "sad" to lose that nutter to Iceland? I wish Iceland would take ALL our hate-filled racists and keep them up there on that godforsaken island in the north Atlantic--it would certainly improve our society, to the grave detriment of theirs. You're clearly grasping at straws if he's your premiere example.

And again, I don't care what Jet Li chose to do. I don't line up to see his movies, I don't care about him. Live life and enjoy!

What is up with your repeated, personal accusations of "jealousy?" You don't see anything a bit "off" about your false and rather pathetic insistence along these lines? And you keep doubling down, with stupid examples, like you're playing out an "Ah HA!" moment when all you're doing is embarrassing yourself further.

You just don't have your facts in order.

People who don't have an argument do try to focus the discussion on the person with whom they are conversing, and that is what you are doing.

It's quite transparent, your effort.

As for your assertion that Gerard is "living" in Moscow, he isn't. He was FILMING A MOVIE there--as your very own citation states. He has moved to BELGIUM, where he is a resident.

Talk about prejudices--I used to have neighbors who were Syrian. Yes, they were Syrian...and they were RESIDENTS of the USA!!! They actually HELD a PASSPORT that didn't MATCH their country of residence.

Apparently this is a tough concept for you to grasp? As someone who lived in a number of countries down the years, I don't have a hard time understanding being a resident of a country other than America, and holding the passport of USA. I've done it for half my fairly long life.

Here, some light reading for you--Gerard has a 'business' in Belgium, you see--one he set up AFTER he got his Russian citizenship:

Gerard Depardieu sets up investment firm in Belgium
Actor Gerard Depardieu, accused by the French government of trying to dodge taxes, has set up an investment company in neighbouring Belgium where taxes on wealth are far lower than in his homeland.

Official documents filed on March 8 show that the star of the films Cyrano de Bergerac and Asterix had set up a company that will invest in other companies.
Holding 2712, a reference to his birthday on December 27, is based in the Belgian border town of Estaimpuis, just over a kilometre from Nechin, the village where he recently bought a house.
Nechin, a short drive from the French border, is home to some 2,800 French people including the Mulliez family, owners of the French hypermarket chain Auchan and Decathlon sports stores.
Mr Depardieu has had a public row with the French government over tax, accusing it of penalising success.
Belgian residents do not pay wealth tax, which in France is now levied on individuals with assets exceeding €1.3bn (£1.1bn), nor do they pay capital gains tax on the sale of shares.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9926944/Gerard-Depardieu-sets-up-investment-firm-in-Belgium.html


Try to not be too disappointed that Russia is not Gerard's only love, now (see how it is when people get "personal?" Do you like being characterized? If not, you should stop doing it to others.)


The star announced in November he was moving abroad after President François Hollande's Socialist government sought to impose a 75 percent tax rate on incomes over one million euros.

He took up residency in Belgium and was granted Russian citizenship by President Vladimir Putin.

The decision sparked controversy, as has as his self-avowed friendships with Putin and Chechnya's strongman leader Ramzan Kadyrov.

Depardieu recently told a French newspaper he considered himself a "citizen of the world" and said he was applying for an Algerian passport and hoped eventually to have citizenship in seven countries.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20130729/court-fines-depardieu-4000-for-drunk-driving


And, in the event none of those citations are sufficiently dispositive, here's the coup de grace (to use a French phrase):

Belgian and French press reports Monday quoted officials in Belgium confirming the 64-year old performer has moved into a house he bought in the village of Néchin, just one mile from the French border. Speculation is rampant that the move has allowed Depardieu to shift his legal residence to Belgium to dodge the 75% tax on income over $1.27 million that Socialist President François Hollande will apply as of 2013 as part of his response to France’s debt crisis. The nation salutes your fiscal patriotism, Gégé.


Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/10/cest-it-aint-so-gege-french-actor-depardieu-reportedly-seeks-tax-refuge-in-belgium/#ixzz2apYIy1xt


http://www.scotsman.com/news/world/gerard-depardieu-ducks-court-to-broker-deal-to-play-strauss-kahn-1-2725346

FRENCH film star Gérard Depardieu failed to show up in court to face drink-driving charges yesterday as he continued a controversial world tour that has seen him set up an alleged tax haven home in Belgium and pick up a passport in Russia.

The actor’s lawyer said he had missed the hearing in Paris because he was now in Montenegro, holding meetings over a film in which he will play disgraced former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

His non-appearance at court means the case will turn into a full trial – guaranteeing yet another day in the spotlight for Depardieu ....It could also lead to the 64-year-old star of Cyrano de Bergerac and Asterix and Obelix getting a tougher sentence if convicted – in theory up to two years in prison.

....Depardieu hit the headlines last month after he bought a house over the border in Belgium, spurring accusations he was trying to dodge a proposed new tax on millionaires.

French premier Jean-Marc Ayrault called the move “pathetic” and unpatriotic.

Last week, Depardieu accepted a Russian passport, provoking even fiercer charges that he had abandoned his homeland.




You should check your facts before you get condescending and personal with people. Google isn't a pay service. You were completely wrong about Monsieur Depardieu.

Have a nice day.

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this map might be helpful Enrique Aug 2013 #1
The report said he could stay if he kept his mouth shut, and he had a one year visa. MADem Aug 2013 #2
News reports have it that he is free to go where he wants to in Russia. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #11
It might not be up to him--see post seventeen, the link there... nt MADem Aug 2013 #18
Very unlikely - he's allowed to stay where he wants muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #14
Do you have a link that supports that assertion? All I've seen is stuff like this: MADem Aug 2013 #17
According to his Russian lawyer he can live anywhere he wants in Russia. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #19
Your link also says he will only be allowed to stay in "designated" places, though: MADem Aug 2013 #22
Yes but I was providing that link so that you will know where we are getting it from when we totodeinhere Aug 2013 #24
Of course Putin is going to have Snowden surrounded by security forces. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #37
Or Viktor Bout's relatives. MADem Aug 2013 #38
"Why do you think Putin particularly cares about him?" - he doesn't. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #40
Putin tires of his toys VERY QUICKLY! revmclaren Aug 2013 #45
No. He absolutely does care about Bout. Bout is a tough guy, and he knows many things. MADem Aug 2013 #56
Watched by drones too! revmclaren Aug 2013 #44
USA taught him well . . ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #70
REALLY....????? revmclaren Aug 2013 #83
"*could* be relocated..." muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #20
I will believe Reuters before I believe Wikileaks--they've been known to adjust the truth to suit MADem Aug 2013 #21
Snowden himself, doesn't need to say or do anything 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #25
hahahahahhah... Ellipsis Aug 2013 #9
I'd post the appropriate rejoinder but delicate flowers would hide the thread. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #12
LMFAO! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #15
That never gets old! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #16
Snowden left in a car, not a plane. That map is no help to him. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #53
Thanks for the info. NealK Aug 2013 #3
I am very glad he released the information he released. I am disapointed he did it the way he did... marble falls Aug 2013 #4
Well, he is now subject to Russian law. That might not be such a good thing for him. MADem Aug 2013 #5
I think you are correct. His adventure is not over. He's now a puppet used by two powers. marble falls Aug 2013 #6
"He's now a puppet used by two powers." NealK Aug 2013 #8
Hope he doesnt announce he's gay, then it'll be straight to jail!! 7962 Aug 2013 #31
No matter what it'll be a great reality show - living in airports in unfreindly nations. Title:.... marble falls Aug 2013 #49
I agree with you on some aspects. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #46
Putin is smiling ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, Putin is having a lot of fun with this whole thing right now. NealK Aug 2013 #10
I think he is smiling through gritted teeth, actually. MADem Aug 2013 #57
Elvis has left the building. So there really IS a Snowden. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #13
Comrade Snowden now! revmclaren Aug 2013 #23
It's unlikely they'll let him work in his chosen field, either. MADem Aug 2013 #27
Not only that revmclaren Aug 2013 #28
It looks like Obama won't be raising a Stoli in Moskva with Pootie this September. MADem Aug 2013 #29
Why would Putin do that? cstanleytech Aug 2013 #47
Because by Greenwalds own words he is supporting Snowden. revmclaren Aug 2013 #48
I just dont see Putin reneging on the deal he made cstanleytech Aug 2013 #51
I think if Pootie could get two of his very valuable assets back, plus a couple of MADem Aug 2013 #58
Gerard Depardieu doesn't seem too worried about becoming Russian Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #35
He should be worried about pissing people off...he's in hot water already!!!! MADem Aug 2013 #36
Oh no - raising eyebrows ! Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #60
That was a charming film. He was brilliant in it. MADem Aug 2013 #62
Yes, I've seen the film - Depardieu is like a French DeNiro or Brando Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #64
The Cold War didn't end. It just took a breather. MADem Aug 2013 #65
"If Pootie had his way, he'd reunify the glorious USSR. He's not Santa, he ran the KGB." Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #68
You're playing the But But game. MADem Aug 2013 #69
You seem to be having trouble with dates today Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #71
Here are some dates for you... MADem Aug 2013 #73
Your most recent citation is from 26 Jul 2013 Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #74
Of course they are "allowed" to travel all over the world, but way to miss the point I made. MADem Aug 2013 #76
You seem disappointed Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #78
I can't help but notice how often you use the "You seem........." card. MADem Aug 2013 #81
You don't speak French well, do you Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #84
Meet the new boss BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #26
How fortunate he is to find asylum in this bastion of free speech and open, tolerant government... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #30
Better than returning to face the type of abuse that Bradley manning faced. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #32
yep ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #42
I bet President Obama wishes that Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #33
We have one spy they really, really want... MADem Aug 2013 #34
Big difference between a spy and a whistle-blower methinks. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #39
Not to Pootie--his "spy" is worth more than our "whatever" IMO. MADem Aug 2013 #41
A difference? Not to Putin. revmclaren Aug 2013 #43
Now if he would just leave DU we can do it Aug 2013 #50
That is not going to happen, I fear. MADem Aug 2013 #55
I agree, I tried hiding the Snowden threads, but he is not always in the title. we can do it Aug 2013 #59
It's a start, anyway. MADem Aug 2013 #63
So what happens when Snowden wants to leave Russia? benld74 Aug 2013 #52
That is the eternal question, I should imagine...! nt MADem Aug 2013 #54
He should have a new name, a Russian passport, Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #61
USA should spread a rumor that Snowdon's a CIA agent spreadiing disinformation KinMd Aug 2013 #66
Who knows? Maybe he is? MADem Aug 2013 #67
so he needs a job now picking potatos or who supports him? Sunlei Aug 2013 #72
Unless he's amazingly frugal (in an expensive locale like HI), he had to have help. MADem Aug 2013 #75
Have fun Ed DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #77
As long as Russia doesn't throw him in prison for over 100 years Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #79
Where, thankfully, the government does not spy on its citizens question everything Aug 2013 #80
Good thing for Ed, that! MADem Aug 2013 #82
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