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MADem

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76. I've had to fill out those forms. I know how detailed and precise they are.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:09 PM
Aug 2013

I've had to renew clearances. I had to start the whole frickin' process over after a jerk named Walker caused EVERYONE's clearance to be pulled many decades ago; and this was before computers, where all your info could be saved and you'd just have to update the form. It's an onerous process.

As I've said elsewhere, I know a guy who was pushed into retirement for calling a Master's a PhD.

The agency that failed to re-vet his paperwork is in very hot water.

It didn't worry anyone at the NSA at all--at first. But Snowden knew it was only a matter of time before they would be worried.


See this article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/us-usa-security-snowden-idUSBRE95K01J20130621


Hiring screeners at Booz Allen Hamilton, a contractor for the National Security Agency, found possible discrepancies in a resume submitted by Edward Snowden, but the company still employed him, a source with detailed knowledge of the matter said on Thursday.

Snowden, who disclosed top secret documents about U.S. surveillance of telephone and Internet data after leaving his job as a systems administrator at an NSA facility in Hawaii, was hired this spring after he convinced his screeners that his description of his education was truthful, said the source, who is not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.


If BHA told him there was a problem with his clearance (and they did), the SOP is to send the documents back through the system to be re-vetted. Snowden assured them that all was well, in essence, he doubled down on his lies, so they weren't worried, initially--mistakes do happen and they are usually resolved IF the person is telling the truth, which Snowden was not.

But he HAD to know the SOP for resolving a discrepancy after a decade in public service, the clock was ticking against him the minute he obtained the knowledge that his employers were aware of a problem. Very quickly, he scooped up some shit, did a bunk and ran; he was only employed there for three months, and actually only worked for four weeks before he was hauling ass out of there.

And if you can find anyone who bullshitted on their security clearance forms, and got caught, and got hired again at the same clearance levels, I'll be very surprised indeed. Lying--particularly when it happens multiple times-- and getting caught is the kiss of death. Some things can be forgiven if you don't understand what they are asking for, if you're young and clueless, if you screwed up and then made it right, or if you simply "forgot"-- but one's education level is not the kind of thing one forgets. And it's pretty hard to "remember" degrees that you've never received.

It was only a matter of time before the Big Old "Clearance Denied" report came back to bite him in the ass.

See some redacted clearance denials and approvals at this link:

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/2013.html

...Applicant is a 32-year-old employee of a defense contractor. She has unresolved financial problems, and she has been consistently untruthful about her education since 2003. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 11-11000.h1

...The Applicant lied to the Government in a questionnaire and in an interview concerning his education, job history and arrest history. He has not shown sufficient rehabilitation. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 10-02156.h1

...Applicant has dual citizenship with the United States and Israel. His wife and adult children are U.S. citizens living in the United States. For nearly 40 years, he and distant family members have owned an undeveloped piece of property in Israel. He renewed his long-expired Israeli passport in 2006 and uses it to travel in and out of Israel. He owns two properties worth $56,000,000 in Israel, and he started an education foundation in Israel. He has not renounced his Israeli citizenship nor has he surrendered or destroyed his Israeli passport. He intentionally falsified his e-QIP and intentionally provided false information to the security clearance investigator. He has not mitigated the Government's security concerns about his foreign influence, foreign preference, and personal conduct. Eligibility for a security clearance is denied. CASE NO: 09-00268.h1 DATE: 10/06/2010

...Security concerns were raised under personal conduct because Applicant provided false information on two security clearance applications and a resume pertaining to his educational background. Specifically, Applicant listed that he was awarded a Bachelor of Arts degree in August 2002, when he had not earned a degree. His explanations and the information provided in support of the whole person factors do not mitigate the concerns raised due to his deliberate falsifications. Clearance is denied.







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Under the bus he goes!!! ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #1
From the back to the bottom. last1standing Aug 2013 #2
I never knew John Lewis was a racist! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #27
I'd rather be under the bus with Lewis and Sanders. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #53
Up on top, they're playing Ashcroft singing "Let the Eagle Soar" backscatter712 Aug 2013 #55
He can sit next to Harry Belafonte. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #37
Belittling Harry Belofonte? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #117
Spare me the lecture, I'm on Mr. Belafonte's side. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #124
That thread that you wished you had bookmarked?! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #122
LOL Wow, could your ego be any more massive? WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #123
I think the key part of that commentary was "...and be willing to pay the price." MADem Aug 2013 #3
I think you should read that article again. last1standing Aug 2013 #4
They see what they want to see. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #6
When compared to … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #106
No, snowden is not willing to pay the price.. he's a hacker/leaker/coward in Cha Aug 2013 #118
I read it--in fact, I went all the way back to the source document, the Guardian. MADem Aug 2013 #12
Snowden hasn't paid the price you'd like to inflict on him. last1standing Aug 2013 #13
Many have walked the talk riverbendviewgal Aug 2013 #29
I'm afraid they're informed all too well. last1standing Aug 2013 #31
Exactly - Snowden must pay the price they prescribe! mazzarro Aug 2013 #62
This isn't about ME. Stop making your comments personal and nasty. MADem Aug 2013 #111
Question for you last1standing and many others here on the DU. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #113
Can I write you down as supporting kangaroo court, torture and life in prison then Hydra Aug 2013 #43
Can you have a conversation without maligning and impugning fellow DUers? MADem Aug 2013 #50
I don't have to malign you Hydra Aug 2013 #57
If you don't have to, then maybe you should stop doing it. MADem Aug 2013 #63
And we're back at point 1 Hydra Aug 2013 #71
You are conflating an apple with an orange. MADem Aug 2013 #72
Excellent post, MADem Cha Aug 2013 #77
Gotta tell it like it is...! nt MADem Aug 2013 #78
It will be a kangaroo court nevertheless cosmicone Aug 2013 #94
No it won't and what an ABSURD thing to say. MADem Aug 2013 #97
+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #103
I am afraid you're the one who needs to do the rereading, and here's a link. MADem Aug 2013 #129
He has paid a price. former9thward Aug 2013 #7
No he hasn't--he left a job he would have been fired from, because his MADem Aug 2013 #9
He never will get praise from you. former9thward Aug 2013 #16
If he comes home and faces the music he will. MADem Aug 2013 #32
"Racially pure"? In a thread about John Lewis praising Snowden, you're going to imply that Snowden muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #39
I didn't say he "needed" it. But it was his first choice. nt MADem Aug 2013 #68
a language that isn't too hard to learn. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #56
Ha ha ha! Aren't YOU ever-so-clever? MADem Aug 2013 #115
I have read bureaucratic boilerplate many times. former9thward Aug 2013 #65
I've given evidence in this thread. The fact that you refuse to MADem Aug 2013 #66
You seem to have inside knowledge muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #34
I've had to fill out those forms. I know how detailed and precise they are. MADem Aug 2013 #76
So you're making the stuff up about him being in trouble muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #82
You can play the "obtuse" game if you'd like. MADem Aug 2013 #88
Yes, *you're* telling me - it's all made up by you muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #98
Interim clearances happen ALL THE TIME. MADem Aug 2013 #99
Yup. bluedigger Aug 2013 #104
Thank you. I really didn't appreciate "muriel's" rudeness. MADem Aug 2013 #110
No kidding! He could have traveled a much easier path. Instead, he chose to become one of the rare deurbano Aug 2013 #15
Snowden committed the ultimate sin: Maedhros Aug 2013 #21
you are aware that your statement can just as easily be turned on snowdens supporters Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2013 #40
I think not. Maedhros Aug 2013 #41
Depends on what you are criticizing them for Hydra Aug 2013 #49
that is very true Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2013 #60
I don't have a problem dealing with the facts Hydra Aug 2013 #69
When compared to … 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #108
And Lewis was the one who lauded Snowden's civil disobedience. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #28
That's one way to look at it. There are others. MADem Aug 2013 #36
look at what "do your time " means now questionseverything Aug 2013 #42
no bail,no family visits,solitary questionseverything Aug 2013 #46
Why are you giving me a link to a guy who hacked? MADem Aug 2013 #79
twas you that said snowden would not be silenced questionseverything Aug 2013 #80
You do know the guy bullshitted, didn't you? MADem Aug 2013 #84
nothing you said changes the facts questionseverything Aug 2013 #100
What "facts?" MADem Aug 2013 #107
He didn't say that. That's just you conjuring that talking point out of thin air. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #52
Yes, he did. MADem Aug 2013 #58
So, basically, you're deciding what "pay the price means" and/or what John Lewis meant? Dawgs Aug 2013 #127
I speak English pretty well--and it turns out, I was right. MADem Aug 2013 #130
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #114
You're evil!!! And I have to admit, you made me laugh out loud!!! MADem Aug 2013 #116
Thank you. Every civil rights leader I am aware of paid the consequences of their actions either kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #119
I think if he comes home (and his father suggested he might MADem Aug 2013 #121
If he's arrested once, he'll never know freedom again. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #125
Did Gandhi and Thoreau flee prosecution? bluedigger Aug 2013 #5
+1 nt MADem Aug 2013 #10
Did they face life in prison? former9thward Aug 2013 #11
Ghandi never ran from prison, never, ever--and he got thrown in jail a lot. MADem Aug 2013 #18
Ghandi used prison for PR purposes. Prison and hunger strikes were how he expressed dissent. last1standing Aug 2013 #24
Heckuvajob--making it about ME. MADem Aug 2013 #44
Then you tell me what you want beyond a vague "come home and face the consequences." last1standing Aug 2013 #48
My name is not Miss Cleo. He will have to make his case. MADem Aug 2013 #54
Yep. Just what I thought. last1standing Aug 2013 #59
Not sure what that gratuitous remark is all about. MADem Aug 2013 #90
prison does silence dissent..even before conviction questionseverything Aug 2013 #51
Poor widdle "Jeremy" stole 65000 credit card numbers. MADem Aug 2013 #91
How much prison time did Thoreau serve for his act of conscience? I'll bet Snowden would be deurbano Aug 2013 #73
That's just silly. Snowden can't live without wifi. MADem Aug 2013 #81
So, yes... Thoreau spent only one night in jail, and got a book deal out of it! deurbano Aug 2013 #87
And Ghandi ended up murdered. MADem Aug 2013 #89
My guy? John Lewis made the comparison. deurbano Aug 2013 #92
If you can't bother to read what is written, I can't be bothered to continue on. MADem Aug 2013 #95
I'm sorry... you're right, I made a mistake and responded to something you didn't say... deurbano Aug 2013 #102
Snowden hasn't spent five minutes in jail. There's my answer to you. MADem Aug 2013 #112
no rtracey Aug 2013 #19
Count for what? former9thward Aug 2013 #22
So, if Snowden is assassinated by a Russian mobster, then all bets are off? nt MADem Aug 2013 #47
I haven't placed any bets on someone's life. former9thward Aug 2013 #61
Sure you did--you bet against Ghandi because the wrong guys assassinated him--just upthread. nt MADem Aug 2013 #64
What did I bet and who did I bet? former9thward Aug 2013 #67
You're getting personal again--why do you do that? MADem Aug 2013 #93
I have great respect for Lewis. bluedigger Aug 2013 #45
I have yet to see any Snowden supporter put him on par with Gandhi, Thoreau or Lewis. former9thward Aug 2013 #70
John Lewis just did. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #96
Lewis made a poor comparison. bluedigger Aug 2013 #105
Turns out the Guardian misrepresented Lewis's remarks--surprise.... MADem Aug 2013 #131
Persecution. Octafish Aug 2013 #17
and padilla questionseverything Aug 2013 #30
This is what they want. Suicide or insanity. last1standing Aug 2013 #35
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #8
Lewis is such a gem. Thank you John L. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #14
Oh please...Snowden is a Traitor. SoapBox Aug 2013 #20
Let's play your game. last1standing Aug 2013 #25
No, destroying the bill of rights you swore to uphold zeemike Aug 2013 #26
Mr. Edward Snowden carla Aug 2013 #33
+10 RC Aug 2013 #75
There's always a #13 in the crowd PSPS Aug 2013 #38
K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #23
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #74
As I said on the other thread....John Lewis is a great guy.... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #83
So lets see, John Lewis, Jimmy Carter, Daniel Ellsberg, Juan Cole, Naomi Klein riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #85
Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson burnodo Aug 2013 #101
Yup. Who you going to stand with on this issue? Its important... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #109
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #86
Sorry Congressman... Splinter Cell Aug 2013 #120
Sure, a traitor to who? n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #128
+1. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #126
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