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102. I'm sorry... you're right, I made a mistake and responded to something you didn't say...

Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:33 PM

Aug 2013

You never answered my original question, though... since I was pointing out that Thoreau did not have to pay much of a price in terms of jail time. (Thus, your focus on Gandhi.) Your response was to mock and caricature Snowden, rather than to consider whether he might be willing to exchange the price he is now paying (and will continue to pay, documentary windfall or not) for one night in jail.

MADem: <<And Ghandi ended up murdered. Not sure what your point is. The guy hasn't even been tried yet, and you're already convicting him.>>

Me (revised response): Not sure what your point is about Gandhi being murdered, but it seems you concede only the Gandhi comparison is worth challenging. (Since Thoreau only spent a night in jail... and I believe Snowden faces MUCH more time than that, even without--or before--being convicted.)

Have a nice day.

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Civil Rights Icon John Lewis: Snowden�s Actions In Line With Gandhi, Thoreau [View all] last1standing Aug 2013 OP

Under the bus he goes!!! ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #1

From the back to the bottom. last1standing Aug 2013 #2

I never knew John Lewis was a racist! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #27

I'd rather be under the bus with Lewis and Sanders. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #53

Up on top, they're playing Ashcroft singing "Let the Eagle Soar" backscatter712 Aug 2013 #55

He can sit next to Harry Belafonte. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #37

Belittling Harry Belofonte? sheshe2 Aug 2013 #117

Spare me the lecture, I'm on Mr. Belafonte's side. WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #124

That thread that you wished you had bookmarked?! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #122

LOL Wow, could your ego be any more massive? WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #123

I think the key part of that commentary was "...and be willing to pay the price." MADem Aug 2013 #3

I think you should read that article again. last1standing Aug 2013 #4

They see what they want to see. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #6

When compared to � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #106

No, snowden is not willing to pay the price.. he's a hacker/leaker/coward in Cha Aug 2013 #118

I read it--in fact, I went all the way back to the source document, the Guardian. MADem Aug 2013 #12

Snowden hasn't paid the price you'd like to inflict on him. last1standing Aug 2013 #13

Many have walked the talk riverbendviewgal Aug 2013 #29

I'm afraid they're informed all too well. last1standing Aug 2013 #31

Exactly - Snowden must pay the price they prescribe! mazzarro Aug 2013 #62

This isn't about ME. Stop making your comments personal and nasty. MADem Aug 2013 #111

Question for you last1standing and many others here on the DU. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #113

Can I write you down as supporting kangaroo court, torture and life in prison then Hydra Aug 2013 #43

Can you have a conversation without maligning and impugning fellow DUers? MADem Aug 2013 #50

I don't have to malign you Hydra Aug 2013 #57

If you don't have to, then maybe you should stop doing it. MADem Aug 2013 #63

And we're back at point 1 Hydra Aug 2013 #71

You are conflating an apple with an orange. MADem Aug 2013 #72

Excellent post, MADem Cha Aug 2013 #77

Gotta tell it like it is...! nt MADem Aug 2013 #78

It will be a kangaroo court nevertheless cosmicone Aug 2013 #94

No it won't and what an ABSURD thing to say. MADem Aug 2013 #97

+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #103

I am afraid you're the one who needs to do the rereading, and here's a link. MADem Aug 2013 #129

He has paid a price. former9thward Aug 2013 #7

No he hasn't--he left a job he would have been fired from, because his MADem Aug 2013 #9

He never will get praise from you. former9thward Aug 2013 #16

If he comes home and faces the music he will. MADem Aug 2013 #32

"Racially pure"? In a thread about John Lewis praising Snowden, you're going to imply that Snowden muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #39

I didn't say he "needed" it. But it was his first choice. nt MADem Aug 2013 #68

a language that isn't too hard to learn. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #56

Ha ha ha! Aren't YOU ever-so-clever? MADem Aug 2013 #115

I have read bureaucratic boilerplate many times. former9thward Aug 2013 #65

I've given evidence in this thread. The fact that you refuse to MADem Aug 2013 #66

You seem to have inside knowledge muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #34

I've had to fill out those forms. I know how detailed and precise they are. MADem Aug 2013 #76

So you're making the stuff up about him being in trouble muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #82

You can play the "obtuse" game if you'd like. MADem Aug 2013 #88

Yes, *you're* telling me - it's all made up by you muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #98

Interim clearances happen ALL THE TIME. MADem Aug 2013 #99

Yup. bluedigger Aug 2013 #104

Thank you. I really didn't appreciate "muriel's" rudeness. MADem Aug 2013 #110

No kidding! He could have traveled a much easier path. Instead, he chose to become one of the rare deurbano Aug 2013 #15

Snowden committed the ultimate sin: Maedhros Aug 2013 #21

you are aware that your statement can just as easily be turned on snowdens supporters Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2013 #40

I think not. Maedhros Aug 2013 #41

Depends on what you are criticizing them for Hydra Aug 2013 #49

that is very true Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2013 #60

I don't have a problem dealing with the facts Hydra Aug 2013 #69

When compared to � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #108

And Lewis was the one who lauded Snowden's civil disobedience. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #28

That's one way to look at it. There are others. MADem Aug 2013 #36

look at what "do your time " means now questionseverything Aug 2013 #42

no bail,no family visits,solitary questionseverything Aug 2013 #46

Why are you giving me a link to a guy who hacked? MADem Aug 2013 #79

twas you that said snowden would not be silenced questionseverything Aug 2013 #80

You do know the guy bullshitted, didn't you? MADem Aug 2013 #84

nothing you said changes the facts questionseverything Aug 2013 #100

What "facts?" MADem Aug 2013 #107

He didn't say that. That's just you conjuring that talking point out of thin air. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #52

Yes, he did. MADem Aug 2013 #58

So, basically, you're deciding what "pay the price means" and/or what John Lewis meant? Dawgs Aug 2013 #127

I speak English pretty well--and it turns out, I was right. MADem Aug 2013 #130

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #114

You're evil!!! And I have to admit, you made me laugh out loud!!! MADem Aug 2013 #116

Thank you. Every civil rights leader I am aware of paid the consequences of their actions either kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #119

I think if he comes home (and his father suggested he might MADem Aug 2013 #121

If he's arrested once, he'll never know freedom again. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #125

Did Gandhi and Thoreau flee prosecution? bluedigger Aug 2013 #5

+1 nt MADem Aug 2013 #10

Did they face life in prison? former9thward Aug 2013 #11

Ghandi never ran from prison, never, ever--and he got thrown in jail a lot. MADem Aug 2013 #18

Ghandi used prison for PR purposes. Prison and hunger strikes were how he expressed dissent. last1standing Aug 2013 #24

Heckuvajob--making it about ME. MADem Aug 2013 #44

Then you tell me what you want beyond a vague "come home and face the consequences." last1standing Aug 2013 #48

My name is not Miss Cleo. He will have to make his case. MADem Aug 2013 #54

Yep. Just what I thought. last1standing Aug 2013 #59

Not sure what that gratuitous remark is all about. MADem Aug 2013 #90

prison does silence dissent..even before conviction questionseverything Aug 2013 #51

Poor widdle "Jeremy" stole 65000 credit card numbers. MADem Aug 2013 #91

How much prison time did Thoreau serve for his act of conscience? I'll bet Snowden would be deurbano Aug 2013 #73

That's just silly. Snowden can't live without wifi. MADem Aug 2013 #81

So, yes... Thoreau spent only one night in jail, and got a book deal out of it! deurbano Aug 2013 #87

And Ghandi ended up murdered. MADem Aug 2013 #89

My guy? John Lewis made the comparison. deurbano Aug 2013 #92

If you can't bother to read what is written, I can't be bothered to continue on. MADem Aug 2013 #95

I'm sorry... you're right, I made a mistake and responded to something you didn't say... deurbano Aug 2013 #102

Snowden hasn't spent five minutes in jail. There's my answer to you. MADem Aug 2013 #112

no rtracey Aug 2013 #19

Count for what? former9thward Aug 2013 #22

So, if Snowden is assassinated by a Russian mobster, then all bets are off? nt MADem Aug 2013 #47

I haven't placed any bets on someone's life. former9thward Aug 2013 #61

Sure you did--you bet against Ghandi because the wrong guys assassinated him--just upthread. nt MADem Aug 2013 #64

What did I bet and who did I bet? former9thward Aug 2013 #67

You're getting personal again--why do you do that? MADem Aug 2013 #93

I have great respect for Lewis. bluedigger Aug 2013 #45

I have yet to see any Snowden supporter put him on par with Gandhi, Thoreau or Lewis. former9thward Aug 2013 #70

John Lewis just did. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #96

Lewis made a poor comparison. bluedigger Aug 2013 #105

Turns out the Guardian misrepresented Lewis's remarks--surprise.... MADem Aug 2013 #131

Persecution. Octafish Aug 2013 #17

and padilla questionseverything Aug 2013 #30

This is what they want. Suicide or insanity. last1standing Aug 2013 #35

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #8

Lewis is such a gem. Thank you John L. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #14

Oh please...Snowden is a Traitor. SoapBox Aug 2013 #20

Let's play your game. last1standing Aug 2013 #25

No, destroying the bill of rights you swore to uphold zeemike Aug 2013 #26

Mr. Edward Snowden carla Aug 2013 #33

+10 RC Aug 2013 #75

There's always a #13 in the crowd PSPS Aug 2013 #38

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #23

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #74

As I said on the other thread....John Lewis is a great guy.... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #83

So lets see, John Lewis, Jimmy Carter, Daniel Ellsberg, Juan Cole, Naomi Klein riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #85

Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson burnodo Aug 2013 #101

Yup. Who you going to stand with on this issue? Its important... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #109

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #86

Sorry Congressman... Splinter Cell Aug 2013 #120

Sure, a traitor to who? n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #128

+1. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #126