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Peace Patriot

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65. We need a bigger word (or acronym) than "CIA" to describe the controlled country...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 02:06 PM
Aug 2013

...that the U.S.A. has become. Eisenhower (of all people) gave us the phrase "military-industrial complex" (MIC) and warned, in his last speech in office, that the MIC would destroy our democracy. It's become a handy phrase for the vipers' nest of war profiteers who run things now, but the phrase itself (great as it is) doesn't adequately describe the consequences to civil society and to allegedly civilian-run government of a country run by, skillfully propagandized by and massively looted by immensely powerful, transnational, anti-democratic corporations, war profiteers and banksters.

When we learn of something like this--that the "CIA" was tracking Noam Chomsky--we, in a sense, dismiss it. We are used to stories about "CIA" violations of their alleged legal constraints on domestic activity (let alone the horrors they commit elsewhere). They may even release such stories as a sort of inoculation process, to induce a "ho-hum" attitude in the controlled populace. Nothing ever comes of these news items. Whatever the "CIA" offense, it just gets swallowed up in the great corporate news monopoly river of forgetfulness. We need to ask WHY THIS HAPPENS. Why and how does this 'out-of-control' agency just keep on keeping on, from one generation to the next, from one outrage to the next, even in the face of 'investigations' (rare to non-existent these days) and big 'scandals' and 'controversies'?

The "CIA" would not and could not keep violating the law, time and again, decade after decade, unless they were deeply rooted in the "MIC"--in the system of war profiteering and massive looting that has transformed our country from a democracy into a militocracy (there's a word!). But, more than this, there is a massive root system sucking nutrients out of the populace, feeding a big branching tree above ground--the visible part of the system--that we can't see. We can't see the whole structure. We see its visible parts, its effects. We can't follow the underground veins in this system that suck our lifeblood into the "tree"--that, say, connect the Senator to the Pentagon 'contractor' to the controls on the Senator in a file somewhere in Langley, or to, say, ES&S (monopoly over U.S. voting machines, all run on 'TRADE SECRET' code*) or the Miami mafia's or the Bush Cartel's use of the "war on drugs" to eliminate their rivals.

There are all these subterranean connections that GIVE the "CIA"--and now, every U.S. agency (the NSA, the FBI, the DEA, et al, entertwined with private, transglobal corporations)--the PROTECTION to do WHATEVER is deemed necessary to perpetuate the power, the looting and the farce that 'our government' has become. Vast domestic spying, natch. That goes without saying. And that very reaction--that it "goes without saying"--is a DESIRED reaction. (Talk about "Catch 22.&quot Nothing will be done about this, nor about the PURPOSES of the vast domestic spying. We are helpless before it. There is NO HOPE that anything will be done.

I hate to insult Nature by comparing what I'm trying to describe to a big, spreading oak tree, with a big spreading underground root system. Others have called it an "octopus." But neither image is fair to innocent trees or wild life. This gigantic war machine is our own human creation. We are all part of it, in one way another. But we, as a people, do NOT have ANY control over it. Each of us is just one cell in the roots or the trunk, carrying nutrients (our money, our work, our families, our communities) from the part of the system we can't see into the part of the system we can see, to our dismay--the wars that nobody wants, the vast imprisonment of the poor, the vast disenfranchisement of the poor, insurance corp-run health care, the wreckage of our educational system, a billion dollars to run for 'president,' etc., etc.

We can't seem to do anything about any of these things. Why? WHY?

There is no adequate name for this that I know of. The "police state." The "surveillance state." The "military-industrial complex." The United States of American Fascism? "Fascism" seems an antique word that calls up visions of strutting, military-clad dictators. This is much, much harder to see--much bigger, much more devious and much harder to fight. How do you fight a 'tree'--an entity with a vast, unseeable, only guessable, entrenched root system?

To continue the insult to Nature: You can cut down the tree, but the root system remains, making the land untillable. Worse, though, cutting down the tree is catastrophic--because we are all living cells in this system. Even the crazy jihadists, who would whack it down if they could, are part of the 'tree' they would fell. They may not want to be, but they are. This is a world problem, not just a domestic problem. (Just one for instance: The "CIA" CREATED Al Qaeda, in the '80s, to evict the Soviet Union from Afghanistan! 'WE' CREATED Al Qaeda!). The underground root system of this 'fascist' 'tree' feeds on conflict and CREATES the conflict that it feeds on.

How could the disaster of the U.S. war on Iraq have occurred? And another important question: What was the nature of the internal war between Pentagon and the CIA that Rumsfeld/Cheney started (and that I think was ended by Leon Panetta, under commission from Bush Sr.)? (Panetta was a member of Bush Sr.'s "Iraq Study Group," i.e., "old CIA.&quot Both things are hidden, deep down in the root system of this evil tree. (Sorry, Mother Nature!) We will NEVER see anything about either question in the corporate press. But these are among the most important questions, because they lead to the root system from which visible things--like Snowden's NSA spying revelations--emerge.**

As for naming what our country has become, there is no historical precedent that is adequate. We see aspects of the Roman Empire here, chilling hints of Nazi Germany there, resemblance to prior Oligarchies, to the "Robber Baron" era, to the British Empire and the East India Company, to Early and Medieval Europe (the Church's international power and propaganda machine), to Bourbon rule in France, and more. If you read and understand history, you have to be very, very worried that the U.S. is simply repeating the ills of the past inflicted by the rich and powerful on everybody else.

But I think that what we are seeing is something new, by way of governmental ills. It is bigger and scarier than anything that has happened before, because it is so hard to see, and because it has been so clever at maintaining an illusion of consent (as Chomsky has, of course, pointed out); also, because of its sheer power--military/nuclear and economic/political--on a global scale.

For me, the ES&S monopoly over vote counting is the most egregious (and obvious--to me, anyway) example of "how to manufacture consent." You make it SEEM LIKE people voted that way. Wow! What evil brilliance! You CAN'T SEE IT. The vote counting is invisible ('TRADE SECRET' code). And the entire subject has been 'black-holed' in the corporate press (who, if they were a real press corps, would have have exposed this long ago--would have screamed it from the rooftops!)

I'm going to propose a name for what I'm trying to describe: The Unspeakable.

I recommend James Douglass' book, "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters." I think we need to begin, back then, in the modern era, understand what happened THEN (and Douglass really does understand it--I'd put him right up there with Daniel Ellsberg, among the most reliable truthtellers we have), to understand what's happening now and what our country has become NOW. Why. It. Matters.

The Unspeakable Empire.



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*(Another interesting root trail: Chuck Hagel, current Sec of Defense, was one of the founders of the original ES&S--e-voting with no paper trail--which did the so-called 'counting' of votes in his first Senate election. ES&S (which bought out Diebold) now has a 75% monopoly over U.S. voting systems, all run on 'TRADE SECRET' code. Half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL (comparison of actual ballots to machine totals) and the other half do only an extremely inadequate 1% audit. So, the guy who helped invent/install all this--privatized vote 'counting'--and who first benefited from it, has now been elevated to front man for the "military-industrial complex," i.e., the Pentagon. Where did he come from? Who groomed him for this role? I'm thinking, vaguely, "CIA," but I don't really know. WHO can do this? CREATE candidates, put them in office, elevate them, write the 'narrative' of their successes, and send all the connections into the river of forgetfulness? The "CIA" is a convenient umbrella word. But I don't think that it, or the "MIC," is adequate.

(I had to laugh the other day when Hillary Clinton called for election reform. NOT included: getting rid of Hagel's 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems!) (See for yourself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014563686. The vote suppression tactics she's talking about would not be possible if ES&S was not installing fascist Pukes into high state offices. She DOESN'T attack the root--she attacks the branch. There is a part we can see and a part we can't see--the unspeakable part. Our Democratic leaders don't dare attack the root problem, because THAT root problem is connected to all the other root problems, in the unseeable system of control. If she DID strike at the root, she would be quickly smeared and removed from the corporate news gabble they call "politics" or--subtler yet--allow her to exhaust herself running for president and easily--EASILY!--fix the 'vote' to defeat her.)

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**(I am currently thinking through the possibility that the Snowden revelations are actually an "inoculation" project of the "CIA." Reveal the worst (or some of the worst), get people used to it, induce despair over ever changing it, and keep on keeping on, with this outrage and the next, and all the ones we don't know about. I think it is a POSSIBILITY. That's all I'm saying. I want to stress this, because, a) Daniel Ellsberg has endorsed Snowden, and Daniel Ellsberg is one of THE most reliable truthtellers on this planet, and b) the FAR GREATER POSSIBILITY is that Snowden is simply one of our most courageous people and acted on his conscience--that is, he is exactly who he seems to be. There is a third possibility, that Snowden is exactly who he seems to be, but this entity I've been trying to describe--the root of all our problems, the unspeakable system of which the "CIA" is only one manifestation--PERMITTED him to do what he's done, for its own reasons ("inoculation" being one possible reason; controlling Obama and installing Jeb/Bush Junta II, next up, is another). We need to be very wary of public controversies conducted in the corporate media. We need to constantly question them--deeply question them--as Noam Chomsky and other great educators have taught us to do. There is the highly manipulated "play" that is presented to us, and there is the truth. We may grasp or infer bits and pieces of the truth from the "play" but the "play's" main narrative is grossly false--antithetical to our interests, anti-democratic, disempowering and wholly in service to the richest few, the Unspeakable cabal that is running things.)

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Not surprised one bit at all. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
I wonder how many of his Phone calls of his the CIA has warrant46 Aug 2013 #75
I am sure Norm is honored. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #78
Will as an author of a great anti war book, I do believe you are in good company. Autumn Aug 2013 #2
Probably Howard Zinn too. Add Jeremy Scahill and Amy Goodman or anyone who wants the truth. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #3
Or Michael Hastings BlueManFan Aug 2013 #6
Sir, that file never existed. MarkLaw Aug 2013 #7
Mea culpa, you're right...Nothing to see here. I'll just march of the cliff with the other lemmings BlueManFan Aug 2013 #8
officially, that is MNBrewer Aug 2013 #9
Probably during the Nixon era. No big surprise. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #4
Probably until today. And tomorrow too. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #5
Yeah 'cause all that shit stopped after Nixon. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #46
* ronnie624 Aug 2013 #52
and? heaven05 Aug 2013 #10
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #11
After multiple denials the CIA/NSA/DEA/Etc. again admits that lying is what they do, pretty much. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #12
Chomsky is an American, born and raised. WTF is the CIA maintaining anything on him for? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #13
They will (apparently) go after anyone warrant46 Aug 2013 #76
Read Necessary Illusions by Chomsky. It'll blow your mind. Ian_rd Aug 2013 #14
Just ordered it :) arcane1 Aug 2013 #30
Nice! Ian_rd Aug 2013 #62
Excellent book. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #64
Of course they have. RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #15
Well said! mountain grammy Aug 2013 #50
So who are the liars here now? nt bemildred Aug 2013 #16
Chomsky's file "scrubbed"? No way. Mysterysouppe Aug 2013 #17
Bush probably has a copy in a vault on his 100,000 acre estate in Paraguay. nt bananas Aug 2013 #18
That is disgusting libodem Aug 2013 #19
Surprise, surprise DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #20
No! Never. Didn't happen. Nope. Sorry, no. Negative. By no means. Absolutely not. Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #21
Thats their job,,, their duty! nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #22
And what will be revealed 40 years from now, about the spying activities of today? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #23
Something like this... Major Nikon Aug 2013 #26
LOL limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #27
This why I don't get DUers supporting this Ash_F Aug 2013 #24
Ireland sweetapogee Aug 2013 #38
Yeah but a lot of the pubs have turned into hipster yuppie bars. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #47
Are you demanding I give Republicans more respect? /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #51
No, I think he's just laughing at you. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #54
The empowerment of Republicans is no laughing matter. /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #55
Note that you are now calling them "Republicans." See, they got to you. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #57
Who's 'them'? Ash_F Aug 2013 #58
I think calling Reggie Walton a Republican is a mistake. Ask Scooter Libby. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #59
Appointments by Reagan, Bush and John Roberts Ash_F Aug 2013 #60
Reggie Walton was a public defender here in Philly. While it is facile to call the man msanthrope Aug 2013 #61
Your approval of Reagan/Bush/Robert's judgement is noted. /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #66
In the appointment of Reggie Walton, yes. David Souter and Sotomayor* were msanthrope Aug 2013 #67
Sometimes... Ash_F Aug 2013 #69
The story concerns CIA surveillance in the 70s, and the subsequent destruction msanthrope Aug 2013 #71
We wouldn't know if he or other progressives/moderates are being watched right now, would we? Ash_F Aug 2013 #72
Well, we can understand this. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #25
This is exactly why you can't believe the NSA when LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #28
The TRUTH is simple. bvar22 Aug 2013 #35
And everybody who Chomsky ever talked to. Octafish Aug 2013 #29
And everyone who ever bought anything Chomsky ever wrote. n/t dgibby Aug 2013 #31
Oh yes, forever and a day throughout the eugenic caste of the SuperHumanCrew! k&r n/t bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #32
It's ok. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #33
The TRUTH is... bvar22 Aug 2013 #34
"there will be HELL to pay" - yep ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2013 #36
The enemy is anyone who would challenge the status, quo, the establishment, the TPTB, big indepat Aug 2013 #37
+ 1000 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #45
K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #39
They only "admitted it" because they were caught in a lie. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #40
I hope Obama didn't know about this until now. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #41
It's obvious Obama used the Presidential Time Machine to 1) spy on msanthrope Aug 2013 #56
The question is whether he knew about this since 2009 and chose to hide the truth. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #77
Time Machine. I have no doubt of it. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #80
Not surprising in the least...and... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2013 #43
File Making Now Made Ever Easier By NSA Dragnet Surveillance cantbeserious Aug 2013 #44
Where are the NSA defenders now? Should be in GD too. Sad heart K&R. Melinda Aug 2013 #48
This should not surprise anyone. TBF Aug 2013 #49
So I wonder if they snoop on everybody who ... ananda Aug 2013 #53
"Chomsky Facebook page?" And you worry that the government is after you? msanthrope Aug 2013 #70
Who ever doubted it? 6000eliot Aug 2013 #63
We need a bigger word (or acronym) than "CIA" to describe the controlled country... Peace Patriot Aug 2013 #65
Just wanted to share with you. copernicusrev Jul 2015 #81
Wouldn't shock me if they had many D/U members on file. sarcasmo Aug 2013 #68
Would not shock me either - because I've seen my FBI file OutNow Aug 2013 #73
But that's impossible, because it is illegal. Zorra Aug 2013 #74
Here's a link to the doc in question: ucrdem Aug 2013 #79
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