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3. Do you Viva Russia as well?

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:40 PM

Aug 2013

Castro was far worse towards gays in the 60's through the 90's than Russia is today.

Cuba today is far better, but no thanks to Fidel - his niece and brother get credit for that.

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Cuba's Fidel Castro: didn't expect to live to 87 [View all] alp227 Aug 2013 OP

Viva Cuba! Mika Aug 2013 #1

Do you Viva Russia as well? dbackjon Aug 2013 #3

No. Silly question. Mika Aug 2013 #7

So when the gay HIV postive patients were rounded up and put into concentration camps dbackjon Aug 2013 #8

No it didn't. Mika Aug 2013 #10

But they had no choice to go there. dbackjon Aug 2013 #11

For some, true. Mika Aug 2013 #13

Interesting dbackjon Aug 2013 #15

Fidel Castro was elected as Head of State in 1976. Mika Aug 2013 #17

Sounds that is what you are doing dbackjon Aug 2013 #19

Sorry to be out of step with US popular right-think. Mika Aug 2013 #21

School them sis malaise Aug 2013 #30

I am not a sis dbackjon Aug 2013 #32

At least they are not a plutocracy malaise Aug 2013 #34

Elections in Cuba: joshcryer Aug 2013 #27

Simple concept dbackjon Aug 2013 #33

'Tis you who doesn't understand the Cuba system. Mika Aug 2013 #37

Your summary is near completely untrue. Mika Aug 2013 #36

You've yet to convince me about Candidacy Commissions. joshcryer Aug 2013 #129

Huh? Mika Aug 2013 #136

So you agree that the Candidacy Commissions are the final say? joshcryer Aug 2013 #137

Candidacy Commissions determine the elegibility of the elected candidate for the Ratification. Mika Aug 2013 #154

And the result is a single candidate for each national office. hack89 Aug 2013 #161

Nearly every dicatorship has the trappings of democracy hack89 Aug 2013 #31

Candidates are not selected by parties, nor along party lines. Mika Aug 2013 #38

So show me someone that has run in opposition to the Communist Party platform hack89 Aug 2013 #39

Educate yourself. Start with Oswaldo Paya's Christian Democratic Party. Mika Aug 2013 #41

So a guy locked out of the political process is the best you have? hack89 Aug 2013 #42

Go there and see for yourself. Mika Aug 2013 #44

You have an endless supply of links. Surely one of them can show me an anti-government politician hack89 Aug 2013 #45

EVERY election is free and fair... brooklynite Aug 2013 #46

Just look at the US of A. Mika Aug 2013 #49

The subject is Cuba, isn't it? Un poco de Alzheimer's? n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #55

Why would an anti gov't candidate be selected by the people to represent them in gov't? Mika Aug 2013 #50

It happens all the time in democracies all over the world. hack89 Aug 2013 #52

I already posted a list of such candidates. Mika Aug 2013 #53

Not one of them ran on an anti-socialist, anti-Castro platform. Not one. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #56

Because no anti Castro/anti socialist candidate was nominated by the people. Mika Aug 2013 #58

So there is no room for a minority views in Cuba? hack89 Aug 2013 #73

Cubans are FAR from being in lock-step. Mika Aug 2013 #76

You are the one supporting a single party system hack89 Aug 2013 #82

Where do I "support" this? Mika Aug 2013 #89

Would you support such a system in America? hack89 Aug 2013 #88

Every democratic nation has their own idiosyncratic anomalies. Mika Aug 2013 #93

So Castro is the equivalent of unelected royalty? First honest thing you have said. hack89 Aug 2013 #101

Where do I say that? Your red herrings are simply stupid. Mika Aug 2013 #103

Only dictators or royalty rule for life. Don't see Castro wearing a crown. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #107

Don't see Castro "ruling" for life, either. Mika Aug 2013 #110

Sure - he just walked away from power and has nothing to do with the Cuban state. hack89 Aug 2013 #112

The Castros are Cuba's revered Revolutionary heroes. The Cuban people will listen to what ... Mika Aug 2013 #114

He was (and is) an unelected, undemocratic strong man hack89 Aug 2013 #117

Go tell that to Cubans in Santiago. Mika Aug 2013 #119

ok nt hack89 Aug 2013 #120

I remember the first time I heard about the young men in Santiago de Cuba under Batista, Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #123

Thanks for the post, Judi. Mika Aug 2013 #156

Would you support Republicans deciding which Democrats could be on the ballot? hack89 Aug 2013 #90

Of course not. But, that isn't the case in Cuba. Mika Aug 2013 #95

So you can show me that their system provides equal ballot access to a wide variety of views? hack89 Aug 2013 #99

"Anti Government" doesn't mean "no Government" brooklynite Aug 2013 #57

If persons who ran on such a platform were popular, they'd be nominated as a candidate. Mika Aug 2013 #61

Right wingers are not going to understand anything which isn't beneficial to them. Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #132

Yep. Cubans in Cuba are lazy, uninformed, prone to dictatorship, etc etc. Mika Aug 2013 #138

Eliezer Avila could get nominated. joshcryer Aug 2013 #140

Ballot access? Candidates are nominated by the people, not parties. Mika Aug 2013 #51

So people can garnered popular support through web sites, access to newspapers and tv hack89 Aug 2013 #54

Not unfettered. Like most countries, their are limitations on the duration of campaigns. 6 weeks. Mika Aug 2013 #63

So direct me to the Cuban DU so I can talk directly to Cubans hack89 Aug 2013 #74

OK. Mika Aug 2013 #77

So Cuba is not part of the global digital world? hack89 Aug 2013 #83

It has only connected to the WWW by fiberoptic cable recently. Mika Aug 2013 #91

So now Cubans can join us here at DU to discuss politics? hack89 Aug 2013 #94

Too expensive, for now. Mika Aug 2013 #97

You would think the government would subsidize internet access hack89 Aug 2013 #104

When did you take up mind reading of the Cuba gov't? Mika Aug 2013 #106

Free speech does not require the internet. hack89 Aug 2013 #109

And you've been there when? Mika Aug 2013 #111

So Cuba has free speech? Really. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #113

Often, Cubans in Cuba are ignored... mostly by Americans. eom Mika Aug 2013 #115

Correct. joshcryer Aug 2013 #133

Huh? Is that link supposed to show that I rebuffed your suggestion? It doesn't. Mika Aug 2013 #144

Look at the bottom of the thread. joshcryer Aug 2013 #147

Still, no rebuffing by me. More of your just-make-shit-up tactic. Mika Aug 2013 #149

Mika, you're a gem. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #84

You can talk to Cubans here: joshcryer Aug 2013 #130

He was more than "locked out"--he was murdered by the state. MADem Aug 2013 #121

Posting rabid anti Cuban AEI blogs? Mika Aug 2013 #165

As opposed to your Granma propaganda? MADem Aug 2013 #168

Where's my Granma sourced posts? I've posted none. Mika Aug 2013 #170

Be careful what you wish for...who's "dishonest" here? MADem Aug 2013 #172

On this thread? On this topic (Paya)? Nope. Mika Aug 2013 #173

I never said "on this post." But there you go, moving the goalposts and yucking it up, as you do! MADem Aug 2013 #174

Why keep on lying? Mika Aug 2013 #177

Yes, why DO you do that? Moving the goalposts, changing the meaning--it's all here for anyone to MADem Aug 2013 #178

Quit clearly you are lying about what I said. Mika Aug 2013 #179

You can twist and spin all day--you said what you said, and it's here for everyone to see. nt MADem Aug 2013 #180

Yep. And your lies are here too. Mika Aug 2013 #181

Mika, whoever smelt it, dealt it. You're the one who started tossing the "lie" word around, not me. MADem Aug 2013 #182

LOL. You just don't like being called out as a liar. Mika Aug 2013 #183

I think you're the one who's been called out, here, Mika. MADem Aug 2013 #184

Being "called out" with a lie isn't being called out. Mika Aug 2013 #185

Poor Mika--you must be very frustrated indeed. MADem Aug 2013 #186

Pay� was harrassed until the day he was murdered....not a good example, that. MADem Aug 2013 #79

Well, I guess that since you make such a ruling, it must be so. Mika Aug 2013 #80

I am not the one making the "ruling"--but I'll believe a passenger in his car before I believe you. MADem Aug 2013 #81

My yucking it up was for your conclusion on Cuba's democracy, not Paya. Mika Aug 2013 #85

No it wasn't--a dolt could see what you were yucking about. MADem Aug 2013 #98

So, you conclude that you are a dolt? Mika Aug 2013 #102

Childish. You are willfully, gleefully obtuse. MADem Aug 2013 #116

I already clarified my post for you, yet you remain intransigent. Mika Aug 2013 #118

Now Desmond Tutu and Swedish parliamentarians are "anti-Castro activists?" MADem Aug 2013 #122

I believe the passenger, too. joshcryer Aug 2013 #131

You could benefit yourself by actually learning about Cuba. Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #69

So this is reason alone to suppress all opposition parties in Cuba? hack89 Aug 2013 #75

ALL "opposition" parties are suppressed? Proof please. Mika Aug 2013 #78

None of those "opposition" parties opposes socialism or Castro, now do they? nt hack89 Aug 2013 #86

How do you know this? You've proven you know nothing about it, so far. eom Mika Aug 2013 #92

Can't prove a negative. hack89 Aug 2013 #96

I've already posted some of the political parties in Cuba, including opposition parties. Mika Aug 2013 #100

None of which actively oppose the government or socialism. hack89 Aug 2013 #105

Really? Mika Aug 2013 #108

They are not opposition parties hack89 Aug 2013 #125

Isn't it amazing? brooklynite Aug 2013 #127

Oswaldo Paya's Christian Democratic Party isn't an opposition party? Mika Aug 2013 #135

Christian Democratic Party members cannot campaign. joshcryer Aug 2013 #141

The others don't campaign, either. They are nominated by others. Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #142

They don't have to, they just have to be the status quo. joshcryer Aug 2013 #145

So, when the National Assembly took the Varela petition under consideration... Mika Aug 2013 #143

Black Spring. Dozens of CDP arrested and jailed. joshcryer Aug 2013 #146

SOP. When in doubt just make shit up. Mika Aug 2013 #151

It is the Christian Liberation Movement (MCL) for one thing` hack89 Aug 2013 #148

The Christian Democratic Party created the Varela petition. It was presented to the CUBAN Assembly. Mika Aug 2013 #152

Because the system is rigged to keep them off hack89 Aug 2013 #155

SOP. Just make up more shit. Mika Aug 2013 #157

Lets look at what Arnold August has to say about picking candidates for Parlimentry elections hack89 Aug 2013 #158

Here's the part you ommitted ... Mika Aug 2013 #159

So a single pre-selected candidate per office is democracy in your eyes? hack89 Aug 2013 #160

It's called the Ratification election. Requires at least 50% +1 vote for a candidate to be seated. Mika Aug 2013 #164

Except no one has ever lost an election hack89 Aug 2013 #166

You're not making sense at all. Try to think things through. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #124

Not for national elections hack89 Aug 2013 #162

I have family there. I visit often. Mika Aug 2013 #20

Gay rights have improved dramatically in Cuba over the years. joshcryer Aug 2013 #26

Some older DU threads on this topic, if you are really interested. Mika Aug 2013 #16

Eres Cubano? Janecita Aug 2013 #23

No Mika Aug 2013 #43

So U.S. American men weren't compelled to go to war? Is that how you see it? Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #62

And how many homeless US veterans are there? Many tens of thousands. In Cuba? Zero. Mika Aug 2013 #65

Oh, we never mention all the homeless veterans in the U.S., you know. What veterans? Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #71

I remember learning that their partners could live there with them & friends visit. Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #59

The Cuban gov't is VERY BAD at being a ruthless dictatorship. lol Mika Aug 2013 #68

The images they conjure are bizarre, no doubt about it. Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #134

Very strange. Mika Aug 2013 #139

Considering all the nefarious plots to kill him ... I'm surprised too! nt rdharma Aug 2013 #2

The CIA has admitted publicly the number of attempts is in the hundreds. Creepy. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #60

638 ways to kill Castro (video link) Mika Aug 2013 #72

The CIA didn't expect ol' Fidel to live so long, either! marble falls Aug 2013 #4

If his brother dies before him, will he get back in the saddle ? jakeXT Aug 2013 #5

No. Fidel Castro doesn't hold any seat in the National Assembly. eom Mika Aug 2013 #22

Is he really only 87? WatermelonRat Aug 2013 #6

Fidel Castro was 50 years old when he became president in 1976. eom Mika Aug 2013 #9

He was only 32 when he took power 1 January 1959. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #28

Actually, Fidel Castro did not assume power as head of state until 1976. Mika Aug 2013 #40

The fact that they gave him an title in 1976 doesn't mean it wasn't a one-man show before... brooklynite Aug 2013 #47

It never was a 1 man show. Any other dengrating of Cubans in Cuba? Mika Aug 2013 #48

But North Korea had an election too!!! brooklynite Aug 2013 #64

Maybe there was US style gerrymandering? Mika Aug 2013 #67

Maybe they just make it impossible for everyone who isn't a Republican Korean to vote. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2013 #70

Perhaps he has several more years in him. David__77 Aug 2013 #12

So have the Cubans in South Florida been wishing for his death for many years. n/t RebelOne Aug 2013 #14

The percentage with that wish declines each year. David__77 Aug 2013 #18

Indeed, the majority now support lifting the embargo. joshcryer Aug 2013 #25

K&R Viva Cuba! idwiyo Aug 2013 #24

I'm glad he recovered malaise Aug 2013 #29

We have empowered Castro with our ridiculous blockade. Paladin Aug 2013 #35

Good Genes And Cussedness Help Vogon_Glory Aug 2013 #66

Neither did the CIA. rug Aug 2013 #87

Amazing brisas2k Aug 2013 #126

Castro sucks. Communism sucks. One-party authoritarian states suck. Throd Aug 2013 #128

It is a great satisfaction to dance on the graves of all his old enemies, I would think. bemildred Aug 2013 #150

Castro may go down as being another Ataturk Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #153

It is hard to imagine Cuba will not change significantly once the Castro's are gone hack89 Aug 2013 #163

Happy birthday, Fidel. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #167

Cuba will outlast Castro. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #169

Cuba is not Castro. Mika Aug 2013 #171

And Castro is not Cuba. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #175

amazing joelz Aug 2013 #176