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tclambert

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25. The last studies I saw on this subject found the opposite, jobs increased in number.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

It surprised the researcher and everyone else. He compared real cases where one state increased the minimum wage while a neighboring state did not. Expectations from decades of political arguments and economic modeling by economists making various assumptions always predicted a loss of jobs. In reality, jobs increased.

I have long suspected that increasing the minimum wage has a stimulating effect on the economy, since minimum wage workers with more money will spend that money quickly and the money gets re-spent over and over, providing more than one dollar of stimulus for each dollar of increased pay. The increase in business activity would actually require hiring more workers.

But when I tried to find studies of this question I found to my great disgust that, to simplify their models, economists routinely assume increasing the minimum wage has exactly zero effect on the overall economy. That the gains should precisely balance the losses was the one outcome I dismissed as ludicrous. I was prepared to find I had it backwards, though I didn't expect that. To have them assume zero just exasperates me.

That's when I stumbled on the state to state comparison. They have apparently repeated this study with many pairs or groups of states and continue to find the surprising result that increasing the minimum wage INCREASES the workforce.

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K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
A sign of the times. 20 years ago, the industry was full of kids behind the counter. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #2
Many of the kids of 20 yrs ago are the same ones behind the counter now.... n/t JusticeForAll Aug 2013 #17
If I'm supposed to boycott the restaurants in support of the workers... brooklynite Aug 2013 #3
thats irony maindawg Aug 2013 #5
Doubling the wages might halve the workforce BadgerKid Aug 2013 #7
Better research please.... daleanime Aug 2013 #8
That argument gets made every time someone suggests an increase in the minimum wage. LongTomH Aug 2013 #10
Forbes:The Real Change In The Cost Of A Big Mac If McDonald's Workers Were Paid $15 An Hour: Nothing Omaha Steve Aug 2013 #14
The last studies I saw on this subject found the opposite, jobs increased in number. tclambert Aug 2013 #25
Whatever the case, doesn't it sound like a good idea to have fast-food workers staying healthy? calimary Aug 2013 #29
Having healthy, relatively happy workers is a good thing. BadgerKid Aug 2013 #30
Since this... DirtyDawg Aug 2013 #4
There's a super size joke in here somewhere. Odious justice Aug 2013 #6
cute olddots Aug 2013 #9
Not really... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
most get it, because most live in reality fascisthunter Aug 2013 #11
In n Out Burgers cost more than McDonalds' burgers, SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #12
The broad base for raising minimum wage always shocks Republicans Nevernose Aug 2013 #13
Speaking of advertising... PopeOxycontinI Aug 2013 #19
Flash: Nation Crippled by Fast Food Strike! Citizens Forced To Eat Healthy Food Instead. Towlie Aug 2013 #15
My wife and I have not eaten in any fast-food joint in the past 10 years, other than HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #22
+1 blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #18
Hope this movement spreads and forces MSM to cover it. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #20
might be a good thing Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #21
Fast food empires are so obscenely wealthy that the consumer pass-along wd be pennies Hekate Aug 2013 #24
paying unskilled workrrs Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #31
The problem is as follows, and I watched it happen in real time... Long, so get your popcorn, okay? Hekate Aug 2013 #32
I wish them all the best. Unions have GOT to make a comeback for the sake of the nation... Hekate Aug 2013 #23
and as I union member I agree Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #33
Please read my long post above and see what you think. Hekate Aug 2013 #34
arbitary pay increases do not go up the ladder Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #36
I have to ask why $15/hour bugs you so much. Are you living in a super low-cost area or something? Hekate Aug 2013 #35
pay should be based in skills Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #37
Concepts of fair price and just wages go back to the Medieval Catholic Church Hekate Aug 2013 #38
Progress for workers will only come from this. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #26
I'd like to see protesters demand a MAXIMUM wage. tclambert Aug 2013 #27
This is exciting. So glad this is finally starting to take root. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #28
What's funny is that all they're asking is for the money to trickle down. Neoma Aug 2013 #39
or people will stop patronizing such places Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #40
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