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Hekate

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34. Please read my long post above and see what you think.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:34 AM
Aug 2013
All wages need to go up -- wages have not only not kept pace, they have shrunk over the past 30 + years. The more inequity has grown, the worse it has gotten for all wage-earners at all skill-levels. When the lowest wage-earners see an increase, not only will they spend more into the economy, but wages all along the ladder will be bumped up as people seek parity.

The destruction of the unions has been the destruction of the notion that anyone should demand more than they are getting. If all they are getting is crumbs -- well, then that must be what they deserve. That's a tautology, not a prescription for a functioning democracy. It's a way to keep people down by making them feel they deserve to be kept down.

The other way of keeping all people down is to make them believe that wages/ health-care/ or whatever good there is is a zero-sum game: If Jose gets more, that means Bill will get less, and we can't have that. Make people resentful of other people for getting ahead; but also make Bill and Jose believe that anyone (including themselves) can become a millionaire -- the Catch 22 being that if Bill fails to get ahead it is his fault, and if Jose gets ahead it must be because he took something away from Bill. Resentment is a great way of keeping crabs in the bucket.

Don't fall for this crap. It's only a zero-sum game if you believe it is. If you are truly a union man, it behooves you to remember who is management and who is labor. You can be proud of your skills, but if your job is outsourced and all there is for you is changing diapers in a nursing home or flipping burgers at McDonald's, you STILL deserve a wage that doesn't leave you begging for small change to get home at the end of the day. Because the nursing home is charging on average $50,000 per year per patient (more in my area) and the burger chains are not hurting either -- and the workers who make it possible deserve their fair share of the take.

I recommend "Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America". When wages drop below subsistence, there are no bootstraps left to pull yourself up by; there is just a dehumanizing scramble from day to day.

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K/R. (nt) NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
A sign of the times. 20 years ago, the industry was full of kids behind the counter. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #2
Many of the kids of 20 yrs ago are the same ones behind the counter now.... n/t JusticeForAll Aug 2013 #17
If I'm supposed to boycott the restaurants in support of the workers... brooklynite Aug 2013 #3
thats irony maindawg Aug 2013 #5
Doubling the wages might halve the workforce BadgerKid Aug 2013 #7
Better research please.... daleanime Aug 2013 #8
That argument gets made every time someone suggests an increase in the minimum wage. LongTomH Aug 2013 #10
Forbes:The Real Change In The Cost Of A Big Mac If McDonald's Workers Were Paid $15 An Hour: Nothing Omaha Steve Aug 2013 #14
The last studies I saw on this subject found the opposite, jobs increased in number. tclambert Aug 2013 #25
Whatever the case, doesn't it sound like a good idea to have fast-food workers staying healthy? calimary Aug 2013 #29
Having healthy, relatively happy workers is a good thing. BadgerKid Aug 2013 #30
Since this... DirtyDawg Aug 2013 #4
There's a super size joke in here somewhere. Odious justice Aug 2013 #6
cute olddots Aug 2013 #9
Not really... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
most get it, because most live in reality fascisthunter Aug 2013 #11
In n Out Burgers cost more than McDonalds' burgers, SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #12
The broad base for raising minimum wage always shocks Republicans Nevernose Aug 2013 #13
Speaking of advertising... PopeOxycontinI Aug 2013 #19
Flash: Nation Crippled by Fast Food Strike! Citizens Forced To Eat Healthy Food Instead. Towlie Aug 2013 #15
My wife and I have not eaten in any fast-food joint in the past 10 years, other than HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #22
+1 blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #18
Hope this movement spreads and forces MSM to cover it. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #20
might be a good thing Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #21
Fast food empires are so obscenely wealthy that the consumer pass-along wd be pennies Hekate Aug 2013 #24
paying unskilled workrrs Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #31
The problem is as follows, and I watched it happen in real time... Long, so get your popcorn, okay? Hekate Aug 2013 #32
I wish them all the best. Unions have GOT to make a comeback for the sake of the nation... Hekate Aug 2013 #23
and as I union member I agree Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #33
Please read my long post above and see what you think. Hekate Aug 2013 #34
arbitary pay increases do not go up the ladder Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #36
I have to ask why $15/hour bugs you so much. Are you living in a super low-cost area or something? Hekate Aug 2013 #35
pay should be based in skills Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #37
Concepts of fair price and just wages go back to the Medieval Catholic Church Hekate Aug 2013 #38
Progress for workers will only come from this. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #26
I'd like to see protesters demand a MAXIMUM wage. tclambert Aug 2013 #27
This is exciting. So glad this is finally starting to take root. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #28
What's funny is that all they're asking is for the money to trickle down. Neoma Aug 2013 #39
or people will stop patronizing such places Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #40
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