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jtuck004

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18. Maybe. I think it's a different world than I grew up in, and I don't think a lot of
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:12 AM
Aug 2013

people have come to that realization. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen a substantial piece of evidence that indicates even the faintest possibility.

And I don't think we really know what getting kicked in the teeth is, yet.

It's possible that millions, perhaps tens of millions of people could become politically astute enough to realize how they are being taken advantage of, and the workplace which has disappeared tens of millions of jobs along with the infrastructure in which they were performed could be rebuilt and everyone retrained, (that alone would be perhaps $20 or 40 trillion at least), and all the people who hold the power and wealth today might decide that there are other things more important than the single pursuit of which has consumed their entire lives (unless they were just given it all).

But I doubt it. Even if all the workers woke up tomorrow and stood together, there would be 20-30 years worth of rebuilding to do to even get near a starting point. A lot of people sacrificed much of their lives, working for very little to get us to the better place we were in by the 60's or so, but since that time we have just been burning up and selling off the largesse. I don't see the current crop of Americans being willing to make those sacrifices.

Along with all that we will have to change the things we are doing that contribute to global warming and cease our endless need to kill other people and their children in war, else none of the stuff above will happen.

Other than that, it's just a bunch of feel good stuff about some mythical future that isn't even possible, so how likely could that be?

The best chance is after the baby boomers mostly die out over the next 20-30 years, and with less people there might be some change. But that would take a powerful force which isn't apparent right now, or a trigger like severe climate change or a bloody revolution or attack from a stronger nation, any of which could just as easily push us into real fascism, some kind of fundie religious state, etc,, or simply destroy us.

But I'm probably too optimistic.


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Apple uses slave labor to make their products AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #1
Sadly, so does just about everyone else. nt Flatulo Aug 2013 #2
Sadly, Apple can afford not too... ChromeFoundry Aug 2013 #3
Of course. They could build a fully robotic factory which would not employ many workers, Flatulo Aug 2013 #4
i have been in a few of those factories, Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2013 #30
That's right - feeding the machines. Yet even these super-modern plants cannot Flatulo Aug 2013 #31
Why is that? Egnever Aug 2013 #37
The President personally asked Apple to bring some iPhone jobs back here, and Flatulo Aug 2013 #38
Obviously they couldnt make them all here Egnever Aug 2013 #39
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #15
True AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #35
Some of those hired are to monitor working conditions at factories. Can you prove they alfredo Aug 2013 #21
Is Apple Corp just full of a bunch of lying fucks, the worst of modern plantation owners? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #5
To be honest, I have a hard time feeling sorry for the Chinese laborer. It's up to them to demand Flatulo Aug 2013 #6
So McDonalds employees should just insist on better wages, be thrown out on their jtuck004 Aug 2013 #7
I'd like to see all workers organize. I'm just saying that we can't do it for the Chinese. Flatulo Aug 2013 #10
Yeah, that's true. I just wish we had better examples for them to follow. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #11
In my lifetime... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
Maybe. I think it's a different world than I grew up in, and I don't think a lot of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #18
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe for different reasons. Flatulo Aug 2013 #19
Yes, on both of those points. One of the big subsidies that workers have had jtuck004 Aug 2013 #20
Speaking as one who's been outsourced three times, I don't think those jobs are coming back here. Flatulo Aug 2013 #25
Exactly. If one reads through the history from about 1865 to the 1920ish era jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
I think you might be falling into the MBA mindset seabeckind Aug 2013 #28
I spent most of my career as a design engineer in the tech sector, specifically disk drives. Flatulo Aug 2013 #34
They are doing plenty of "demanding". pampango Aug 2013 #32
Why didn't you highlight Apple's response? alfredo Aug 2013 #22
In the article it appears that despite their assurances many bad practices continue jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
Labor laws have to change in China. As I said they can plant the seed of reform, but it is up alfredo Aug 2013 #24
Look. Until "the west" understands the concept of "fair trade" rather than "free trade", delrem Aug 2013 #8
^this^ defacto7 Aug 2013 #9
f*** them Skittles Aug 2013 #12
Hold your tongue and say Apple... tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #13
Not manufacturing.... TM99 Aug 2013 #14
Thx, yes. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #17
Meanwhile Google starts manufacturing phones in Texas Egnever Aug 2013 #27
Didn't they sell more iphones in china than the US last year? n/t hughee99 Aug 2013 #29
That's indeed happening. US-based companies are looking at the Far East not just as a source Flatulo Aug 2013 #33
iPhone market share has been plummeting in China recently. cprise Aug 2013 #36
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