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jtuck004

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20. Yes, on both of those points. One of the big subsidies that workers have had
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:17 AM
Aug 2013

over the years is heath care they worked for, but were paid by employer funds that were not taxed. That is going to be over as the costs are shifted to the worker, and taxed.

And, so far at least, we still add a couple million people a year who will need training, etc.

But even if people strike, what do they strike for? McDonalds workers going from a wage that they can't live on to a wage that they can barely live on? The low-paid and service jobs are the only ones we can't really export. There will be some service workers unions, but it's very doubtful they will hold much political power, nothing like the unions of old.

Down the road the people and robots making the machines they work with are making 32 or 3 times that, but where there used to be 10,000 people in the factory, now there are 300. And the better paid ones have relatively decent working conditions and no "consciousness" of being oppressed.

But the labor pool is no longer just the United States - now we are competing with the world. Apple hires workers in China, the well-paid ones with a college degree to work on their phones to be sold in the stores here. Well-paid, college degree = $22 day. So if the better-paid knowledge workers become too much trouble, they will find themselves competing against workers in other countries. And while we could then raise tariffs and isolate ourselves, we are fooling ourselves if we think the world must do business with us. One just needs to look around and see the contracts China is creating with Brazil, Russia doing business with others. We still have a bit of a toehold in some areas, like airplanes, but even that has a point beyond which we become of less value.

And we can only get taxes from people that are working.

Interesting discussion. We shall see what happens...

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Apple uses slave labor to make their products AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #1
Sadly, so does just about everyone else. nt Flatulo Aug 2013 #2
Sadly, Apple can afford not too... ChromeFoundry Aug 2013 #3
Of course. They could build a fully robotic factory which would not employ many workers, Flatulo Aug 2013 #4
i have been in a few of those factories, Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2013 #30
That's right - feeding the machines. Yet even these super-modern plants cannot Flatulo Aug 2013 #31
Why is that? Egnever Aug 2013 #37
The President personally asked Apple to bring some iPhone jobs back here, and Flatulo Aug 2013 #38
Obviously they couldnt make them all here Egnever Aug 2013 #39
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #15
True AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #35
Some of those hired are to monitor working conditions at factories. Can you prove they alfredo Aug 2013 #21
Is Apple Corp just full of a bunch of lying fucks, the worst of modern plantation owners? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #5
To be honest, I have a hard time feeling sorry for the Chinese laborer. It's up to them to demand Flatulo Aug 2013 #6
So McDonalds employees should just insist on better wages, be thrown out on their jtuck004 Aug 2013 #7
I'd like to see all workers organize. I'm just saying that we can't do it for the Chinese. Flatulo Aug 2013 #10
Yeah, that's true. I just wish we had better examples for them to follow. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #11
In my lifetime... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
Maybe. I think it's a different world than I grew up in, and I don't think a lot of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #18
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe for different reasons. Flatulo Aug 2013 #19
Yes, on both of those points. One of the big subsidies that workers have had jtuck004 Aug 2013 #20
Speaking as one who's been outsourced three times, I don't think those jobs are coming back here. Flatulo Aug 2013 #25
Exactly. If one reads through the history from about 1865 to the 1920ish era jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
I think you might be falling into the MBA mindset seabeckind Aug 2013 #28
I spent most of my career as a design engineer in the tech sector, specifically disk drives. Flatulo Aug 2013 #34
They are doing plenty of "demanding". pampango Aug 2013 #32
Why didn't you highlight Apple's response? alfredo Aug 2013 #22
In the article it appears that despite their assurances many bad practices continue jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
Labor laws have to change in China. As I said they can plant the seed of reform, but it is up alfredo Aug 2013 #24
Look. Until "the west" understands the concept of "fair trade" rather than "free trade", delrem Aug 2013 #8
^this^ defacto7 Aug 2013 #9
f*** them Skittles Aug 2013 #12
Hold your tongue and say Apple... tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #13
Not manufacturing.... TM99 Aug 2013 #14
Thx, yes. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #17
Meanwhile Google starts manufacturing phones in Texas Egnever Aug 2013 #27
Didn't they sell more iphones in china than the US last year? n/t hughee99 Aug 2013 #29
That's indeed happening. US-based companies are looking at the Far East not just as a source Flatulo Aug 2013 #33
iPhone market share has been plummeting in China recently. cprise Aug 2013 #36
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