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Igel

(37,543 posts)
17. Actually, try educating your children the way you want even in some states.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:16 PM
Aug 2013

Homeschool is made difficult. And, in some states, well regulated.

As for the rest, you're arguing whose moral code should be foisted on society, no more, no less. You think yours is liberating; they think theirs is liberating.

You have no common basis for discussion. And neither has enough compassion or empathy to even try to see the other's point of view.

The best you can work out is to separate the ideology and religion from the parties themselves. Let the party be more pragmatic and democratic, so that if the ideology says X the party in power says, "we'll push towards X, but take into account others' views." The minority party says, "we accept that elections have consequences, but we'll push to have our views taken into account by participating in the process at every level."

What happened is that the majority leaders were pretty much what they should have been. I have trouble faulting the final version of the bills I've seen; the Constitution was ambiguous--some fairly "liberal" Islamic states have similar language, and it's all in the interpretation of boilerplate. I've even seen the initial version of bills at odds with what the MB wanted. With no hint of "glad all that election stuff is over, once and for all."

What I've seen in the minority party is an unwillingness to participate because they wouldn't get the whole enchilada. The worst interpretations of the Constitution are presumed to be the only interpretations, analogies in other countries notwithstanding. The MB and Morsi/parliament were conflated, with cleric pronouncements put into the mouth of Morsi. A failure to acknowledge that bills were revised as the result of compromise. And a real reluctance to admit that elections should have consequences if they don't like them.

You're talking fear. Most of that is based on what suspicions said would happen, with the last straw being a bill that changed and changed to be closer and closer to the "liberal" position with one exception: Banning funding from outside Egypt for NGOs. So guess where the funding that keeps most of the formerly opposition groups comes from?

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Seems ok since it wasn't a Coup after all JCMach1 Aug 2013 #1
++1,000. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #2
They're trying to box clever dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #3
"Legally?" Scootaloo Aug 2013 #4
Hasn't that been done before? another_liberal Aug 2013 #5
This thing is getting RiverNoord Aug 2013 #6
Anti-Morsi youth groups . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #8
You keep comparing John2 Aug 2013 #11
Actually, try educating your children the way you want even in some states. Igel Aug 2013 #17
I'll be honest. As a woman, I find it impossible to see the fundamentalist "point of view" MH1 Aug 2013 #30
How about the women among those who were trapped in the Mosque? another_liberal Aug 2013 #31
You're talking about two different things leftynyc Aug 2013 #34
once again what about the women who were killed for supporting MB? azurnoir Aug 2013 #35
I mourn ALL the people killed, leftynyc Aug 2013 #44
Ah so you deem yourself the one knowing what Egyptian women what? azurnoir Aug 2013 #45
Spare me leftynyc Aug 2013 #47
I support democracy and leaders who are chosen by the ballot box. another_liberal Aug 2013 #41
I am sorry to see any violence perpetrated on anyone MH1 Aug 2013 #39
Guilt by association is a pretty awful reason to condemn innocent people. another_liberal Aug 2013 #42
Nice excuse for mass murder. And way to deny those Egyptian women any agency whatsoever. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #49
You don't have to be sorry at all. Less than ten percent of the country supports them. MADem Aug 2013 #36
Unsound reasoning dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #37
There were no shortage of candidates, but even at that, there was little turnout. MADem Aug 2013 #38
Yes, many women and most LGBT's don't see the fundamentalist POV. Zorra Aug 2013 #46
The vast majority of Egyptians . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #29
There are many shades of Islam, just as there are of Christianity MH1 Aug 2013 #40
Neither was the Moslem Brotherhood. happyslug Sep 2013 #50
I don't know if they were used in the sense that the military pushed them to protest karynnj Aug 2013 #14
I did not mean to say the Morsi government was illegal. Far from it! another_liberal Aug 2013 #28
I'm sorry - it is my really bad usage of "you" in the last paragraph that made it sound like that karynnj Aug 2013 #33
You claim it John2 Aug 2013 #13
Gotcha. Igel Aug 2013 #18
You got John2 Aug 2013 #24
Um... dude - you don't have a clue. RiverNoord Sep 2013 #48
Wonder where they got an idea like that! ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #7
Where was Al Qaeda John2 Aug 2013 #12
"Where was Al Qaeda" before the USA invaded? NOT in Iraq. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #16
It is because John2 Aug 2013 #26
Yes and no. Igel Aug 2013 #21
Yet another Middle Eastern country East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #9
Yup. Igel Aug 2013 #22
Right now sounds good to the Copts. jessie04 Aug 2013 #10
It would be a prelude. Igel Aug 2013 #27
Egyptian youth leader backs army in battle with Brotherhood Bosonic Aug 2013 #15
Here are your "liberal" friends of democracy. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #19
Again: "In Egypt, the liberals aren't democrats and the democrats aren't liberals." Igel Aug 2013 #25
We all know this is not going to end well. n/t Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #20
That'll stop Egypt's poor from wanting to vote! /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #23
Good luck with that! elleng Aug 2013 #32
Muslim Brotherhood has been in existence since 1928. Good Luck with the dissolution. no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #43
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