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seabeckind

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28. I think you might be falling into the MBA mindset
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
Aug 2013

Even if we were to reduce the supply of labor, ie, the boomers, we are still left with the reduction in demand, ie, the availability of the midrange jobs. You see, that's where we are lacking.

The automation and robotics have made it possible for the job "givers" to reduce those midrange jobs to ones that can be outsourced. During the 80's and 90's the investment in the automated factories was done overseas, especially in the very cheap labor markets. We still have the very high end knowledge worker jobs (at least where the MBA types haven't come to believe that a knowledge worker with an American innovative mindset is equivalent to a 3rd world workers ability to follow orders) and the very lowend service jobs but the ones in the middle are gone.

The answer of course is to let the engineering types have more say in the decision making process. I, too, have worked alongside H1Bs and have found them lacking. Where someone raised where it's possible to fashion new solutions as necessary, the H1Bs tended to stay inside the box -- even when it became obvious that the problem wasn't in the task, it was in the definition of the box.

But now? The MBAs are pushing for more H1Bs. They are pushing to move the line further into the knowledge area. This article is an example. Recently Apple was downgraded in their innovative ranking. Boeing has lost much of its engineering and productivity (article couple days ago about the cost of their relocation to SC), Microsoft is withering in the boardroom, etc.

In order to correct the problem we need to seriously redefine our job roles and bring back that midrange. Just losing the boomers isn't a help...in fact, like some places where I worked that had a goal to reduce employee costs by getting rid of the more experienced (higher paid) they soon found that there was a lot of knowledge walking out that door and it wasn't replaced.

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Apple uses slave labor to make their products AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #1
Sadly, so does just about everyone else. nt Flatulo Aug 2013 #2
Sadly, Apple can afford not too... ChromeFoundry Aug 2013 #3
Of course. They could build a fully robotic factory which would not employ many workers, Flatulo Aug 2013 #4
i have been in a few of those factories, Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2013 #30
That's right - feeding the machines. Yet even these super-modern plants cannot Flatulo Aug 2013 #31
Why is that? Egnever Aug 2013 #37
The President personally asked Apple to bring some iPhone jobs back here, and Flatulo Aug 2013 #38
Obviously they couldnt make them all here Egnever Aug 2013 #39
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #15
True AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #35
Some of those hired are to monitor working conditions at factories. Can you prove they alfredo Aug 2013 #21
Is Apple Corp just full of a bunch of lying fucks, the worst of modern plantation owners? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #5
To be honest, I have a hard time feeling sorry for the Chinese laborer. It's up to them to demand Flatulo Aug 2013 #6
So McDonalds employees should just insist on better wages, be thrown out on their jtuck004 Aug 2013 #7
I'd like to see all workers organize. I'm just saying that we can't do it for the Chinese. Flatulo Aug 2013 #10
Yeah, that's true. I just wish we had better examples for them to follow. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #11
In my lifetime... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
Maybe. I think it's a different world than I grew up in, and I don't think a lot of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #18
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe for different reasons. Flatulo Aug 2013 #19
Yes, on both of those points. One of the big subsidies that workers have had jtuck004 Aug 2013 #20
Speaking as one who's been outsourced three times, I don't think those jobs are coming back here. Flatulo Aug 2013 #25
Exactly. If one reads through the history from about 1865 to the 1920ish era jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
I think you might be falling into the MBA mindset seabeckind Aug 2013 #28
I spent most of my career as a design engineer in the tech sector, specifically disk drives. Flatulo Aug 2013 #34
They are doing plenty of "demanding". pampango Aug 2013 #32
Why didn't you highlight Apple's response? alfredo Aug 2013 #22
In the article it appears that despite their assurances many bad practices continue jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
Labor laws have to change in China. As I said they can plant the seed of reform, but it is up alfredo Aug 2013 #24
Look. Until "the west" understands the concept of "fair trade" rather than "free trade", delrem Aug 2013 #8
^this^ defacto7 Aug 2013 #9
f*** them Skittles Aug 2013 #12
Hold your tongue and say Apple... tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #13
Not manufacturing.... TM99 Aug 2013 #14
Thx, yes. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #17
Meanwhile Google starts manufacturing phones in Texas Egnever Aug 2013 #27
Didn't they sell more iphones in china than the US last year? n/t hughee99 Aug 2013 #29
That's indeed happening. US-based companies are looking at the Far East not just as a source Flatulo Aug 2013 #33
iPhone market share has been plummeting in China recently. cprise Aug 2013 #36
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