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Flatulo

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38. The President personally asked Apple to bring some iPhone jobs back here, and
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:19 PM
Aug 2013

the response from Steve Jobs was something like 'those jobs are never coming back here'.

Apple insiders claim that the US no longer has the manufacturing infrastructure or trained workers to make their products. They believe that their Asian factories have far outpaced our own capabilities. Entire cities spring up in China just to hold the factories to make the components that go into western gadgets.

Given that Apple makes about $400,000 profit per employee per year, wages are just a small part of their reasoning.

When I worked for Seagate, we were making 25,000,000 disk drives per quarter in the Far East.
That's a staggering number, but comparable to the scale of Apple's volumes. Every single atom in those drives was sourced in the Far East. To bring that work back here would have involved massive reconfiguration of the supply chain. There would have to be cities built to house the factories to make all those components. I remember seeing pictures of the factory that manufactured our actuator bodies. This is the structure that holds the recording heads, and it needs to be machined in a lathe. This factory had about 6,000 lathes manned by 6,000 operators. These were all new, state-of-the-art machines to hold the extremely tight tolerances required in hard drives. I've never seen an American factory that could even begin to approach that scale of production, (maybe we could have done that during WWII?) and I would guess that Apple is in the same position. If they're making 60,000,000 iPads per year, they've got thousands of injection moulding machines going 24/7 to keep that beast fed. Thousands.

I don't know what the projected volumes are for the new Google/Motorola phone, but I bet they're a very small fraction of the iPhone volumes. Remember, Android phones have slightly more than half the market share for smartphones, but that is being split among dozens or more makes and models. So I would expect that Google's task is much more manageable. I certainly wish them luck and a profitable venture, even if its a PR gimmick.

I could see the US being used for small volume, custom-made 'boutique' products, but I don't ever expect to see the extremely large-scale manufacturing that the Chinese have built.

Definitely a good question, tho'.

On edit: of course, the factories of all the Far East component suppliers that feed Apple's factories are low-wage operations. So there is a wage component that gets compounded in again and again as a widget makes its way thru the supply chain. Still, it is absolutely sickening the profit that that fucking company makes. $400,000 per employee. Most companies are happy to make 5% margin. Apple makes 1000%.

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Apple uses slave labor to make their products AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #1
Sadly, so does just about everyone else. nt Flatulo Aug 2013 #2
Sadly, Apple can afford not too... ChromeFoundry Aug 2013 #3
Of course. They could build a fully robotic factory which would not employ many workers, Flatulo Aug 2013 #4
i have been in a few of those factories, Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2013 #30
That's right - feeding the machines. Yet even these super-modern plants cannot Flatulo Aug 2013 #31
Why is that? Egnever Aug 2013 #37
The President personally asked Apple to bring some iPhone jobs back here, and Flatulo Aug 2013 #38
Obviously they couldnt make them all here Egnever Aug 2013 #39
Yep... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #15
True AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #35
Some of those hired are to monitor working conditions at factories. Can you prove they alfredo Aug 2013 #21
Is Apple Corp just full of a bunch of lying fucks, the worst of modern plantation owners? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #5
To be honest, I have a hard time feeling sorry for the Chinese laborer. It's up to them to demand Flatulo Aug 2013 #6
So McDonalds employees should just insist on better wages, be thrown out on their jtuck004 Aug 2013 #7
I'd like to see all workers organize. I'm just saying that we can't do it for the Chinese. Flatulo Aug 2013 #10
Yeah, that's true. I just wish we had better examples for them to follow. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #11
In my lifetime... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #16
Maybe. I think it's a different world than I grew up in, and I don't think a lot of jtuck004 Aug 2013 #18
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe for different reasons. Flatulo Aug 2013 #19
Yes, on both of those points. One of the big subsidies that workers have had jtuck004 Aug 2013 #20
Speaking as one who's been outsourced three times, I don't think those jobs are coming back here. Flatulo Aug 2013 #25
Exactly. If one reads through the history from about 1865 to the 1920ish era jtuck004 Aug 2013 #26
I think you might be falling into the MBA mindset seabeckind Aug 2013 #28
I spent most of my career as a design engineer in the tech sector, specifically disk drives. Flatulo Aug 2013 #34
They are doing plenty of "demanding". pampango Aug 2013 #32
Why didn't you highlight Apple's response? alfredo Aug 2013 #22
In the article it appears that despite their assurances many bad practices continue jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
Labor laws have to change in China. As I said they can plant the seed of reform, but it is up alfredo Aug 2013 #24
Look. Until "the west" understands the concept of "fair trade" rather than "free trade", delrem Aug 2013 #8
^this^ defacto7 Aug 2013 #9
f*** them Skittles Aug 2013 #12
Hold your tongue and say Apple... tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #13
Not manufacturing.... TM99 Aug 2013 #14
Thx, yes. tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #17
Meanwhile Google starts manufacturing phones in Texas Egnever Aug 2013 #27
Didn't they sell more iphones in china than the US last year? n/t hughee99 Aug 2013 #29
That's indeed happening. US-based companies are looking at the Far East not just as a source Flatulo Aug 2013 #33
iPhone market share has been plummeting in China recently. cprise Aug 2013 #36
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