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127. Piece By Piece, to let The Govt Lie and Get Caught - Again and Again.

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:21 AM

Aug 2013

The first leaks, then WH/Pelosi/Graham do damage-control with a pack of lies. Then they get "busted" by the next release. So they fearmonger about "new attacks" to try to distract and make us think we "need" Big Brother to "protect us" - but the public isn't falling for it like they did under the Bush-Ridge "color of terror" (which Ridge later admitted was politically-determined). Now again, with the latest release - they get stung again, and even Pelosi has to feign surprise.

In the past, I have been critical of the "drip-drip" approach. But in this case, at least from where I am sitting, it seems Greenwald (et al) are playing this very well - playing Chess with the public-consciousness - just like our Imperial Rulers do every day with the Media they Own and Control (yes, both 'flavors' of it).

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Wikileaks Just Released A Massive 'Insurance' File That No One Can Open [View all] Tony_FLADEM Aug 2013 OP

"... but there's already plenty of speculation." Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #1

We're talking Anonymous not Glen Beck. These'll be good. marble falls Aug 2013 #4

Pot meet the kettle. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #176

Speculation is all I have seen Cryptoad Aug 2013 #5

And your still wrong. Fearless Aug 2013 #31

Where 's the proof? nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #32

What do you classify as proof? Fearless Aug 2013 #34

Pretty much Cryptoad Aug 2013 #59

A John Roberts court? Fearless Aug 2013 #80

+1 villager Aug 2013 #143

Thats the Point Cryptoad Aug 2013 #167

I said nothing of the sort Fearless Aug 2013 #177

you have still failed Cryptoad Aug 2013 #181

Because the administration continues illegal programs Fearless Aug 2013 #189

Whose "Legal System" - the one that Generally Backs the Corporate Crooks Game ?? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #125

Oh yea,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #169

Holding democrats to democratic values Fearless Aug 2013 #178

YOu have already Cryptoad Aug 2013 #180

I said no such thing. Fearless Aug 2013 #188

Apparantly whatever was released will likely stand up in European Courts rpannier Aug 2013 #142

Seems you don't know the source of our Laws...... nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #170

Touchy Touchy rpannier Aug 2013 #192

Another Cryptoad Aug 2013 #194

Wow, this is released by an anti secrecy group and many are complaining your private information Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #2

Seems it is Cryptoad Aug 2013 #6

How can you possibly surmise that? go west young man Aug 2013 #11

So you believe they are Cryptoad Aug 2013 #13

Love your arbitrary 6 month proclamation! go west young man Aug 2013 #18

TEll us Cryptoad Aug 2013 #30

Were the Afghan War logs and all the info on Afghan civilian deaths speculative? go west young man Aug 2013 #37

a little redirect and Cryptoad Aug 2013 #54

No, those were facts that trumped your silliness. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #60

What Facts,,,,,???? Cryptoad Aug 2013 #69

You may want to look up the term "projection" go west young man Aug 2013 #65

YOu havent even answered my Q Cryptoad Aug 2013 #68

Who could possibly take you serious at this point? go west young man Aug 2013 #107

Ah I remember my idealism back in the 60's & 70's,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #171

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #58

Piece By Piece, to let The Govt Lie and Get Caught - Again and Again. HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #127

Anarchist Cryptoad Aug 2013 #172

Oh, there's a very good reason Aerows Aug 2013 #72

I'm not sure it is as complicated as this thread implies BlueStreak Aug 2013 #113

Oh, I agree Aerows Aug 2013 #116

Yes, I agree with your point about timing, and I expect there is fresh data BlueStreak Aug 2013 #128

HOw much Cryptoad Aug 2013 #173

Huh? n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #175

you posted Cryptoad Aug 2013 #182

Rocket surgery? Aerows Aug 2013 #183

I was starting to wonder Cryptoad Aug 2013 #184

I think I have Aerows Aug 2013 #186

what i find funny about the whole wikileaks, snowden, manning deal okieinpain Aug 2013 #134

Do you read the news? Aerows Aug 2013 #163

It seems; greiner3 Aug 2013 #153

YOU got a point ? Cryptoad Aug 2013 #166

huh? NoOneMan Aug 2013 #7

Wikileaks is fighting for whatever will give them the most power. pnwmom Aug 2013 #9

A nonprofit fighting for power! go west young man Aug 2013 #15

Nonprofit? What do US non-profit tax laws have to do with Wikileaks? pnwmom Aug 2013 #21

Wikileaks is an "international" nonprofit. go west young man Aug 2013 #23

Most of Wikileaks's efforts revolve against the US though. phleshdef Aug 2013 #27

Once again this is untrue. go west young man Aug 2013 #36

Its not untrue. Look up the definition of the word "most". phleshdef Aug 2013 #52

Your propaganda filter is broken! go west young man Aug 2013 #56

Hadn't seen that. Thanks. nt wtmusic Aug 2013 #63

You need to worry more about your fact checking abilities... phleshdef Aug 2013 #64

Here's a link to the Cryptome emails your article references. go west young man Aug 2013 #99

I see; greiner3 Aug 2013 #154

That's what they call themselves. But it's a meaningless term pnwmom Aug 2013 #115

First paragraph from the link you gave: go west young man Aug 2013 #28

The link I gave is a DEBATE site, so it has opposing views. pnwmom Aug 2013 #118

Your "debate" sit starts off with a smear against Assange go west young man Aug 2013 #135

On the top left, there is one point of view. On the top right, there is the other. pnwmom Aug 2013 #137

Reread your link please. go west young man Aug 2013 #139

Maybe if they had started with the truth articles released now might be creditable but they got off Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #16

"Maybe if they had started with the truth articles..." greiner3 Aug 2013 #155

Lies, non factual informational, unintentuinal false statements Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #159

Um, Yeah Aerows Aug 2013 #101

I didn't compare Snowden and Assange. I believe Snowden's parents pnwmom Aug 2013 #119

Folks like yourself go west young man Aug 2013 #164

It's no sillier than your choice to believe that he's a patriot concerned about US pnwmom Aug 2013 #174

Ohhhhhhh,,,,,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #3

You Mean ADDITIONAL Crimes, right? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #129

Whats your Cryptoad Aug 2013 #165

Whining about???????? greiner3 Aug 2013 #156

Another blackmail attempt. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #8

What was the first one? n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #106

In this go around? Greenwald said that they had information that pnwmom Aug 2013 #120

We don't even know what's in this file Aerows Aug 2013 #121

I'm sure someone will pop the code. It would be funny it they used free software too. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #10

yep. iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #17

Full AES has never been "popped". wtmusic Aug 2013 #19

Brute-forcing 256-bit encryption isn't going to happen. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #22

I've seen the "equal to all the atoms in the universe" thing. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #42

Longer than the universe will exist is more the idea. bemildred Aug 2013 #62

This all assumes they don't WANT the info out there. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #76

That is usually what one uses encryption for? nt bemildred Aug 2013 #88

Uh huh. So if it gets popped we know it was meant to be popped. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #92

Sort of like Orville Redenbacher, eh? bemildred Aug 2013 #102

Deep down everyone is hoping something will come out that will reveal "The Big Lie".... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #130

Yeah, sure they are, mean and nasty underneath, all of them. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #152

Well,....I DO have a reputation to uphold. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #179

You have no idea what your talking about. Fearless Aug 2013 #33

What would be funny is if the key was "Atlas Shrugged". Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #40

Beam me up Scotty! Iliyah Aug 2013 #55

The key for the cables from Manning was Paulie Aug 2013 #104

Nuthin like copy/paste.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #122

No worries WaPo Iliyah Aug 2013 #12

I'm pissed; greiner3 Aug 2013 #158

lol iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #14

That's the word I would put on it. defacto7 Aug 2013 #132

Yes, they are blackmailing ... errr... who? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #160

Yes, I understand protecting data is important especially when you have defacto7 Aug 2013 #191

You said you were certain it is blackmail muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #193

I stand by my posts in general. defacto7 Aug 2013 #199

Well... bunnies Aug 2013 #20

The world's fastest supercomputer could knock it out in 3.17 billion years. wtmusic Aug 2013 #24

Just curious iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #26

A fair question. wtmusic Aug 2013 #35

I've wondered about other factors Babel_17 Aug 2013 #45

Good points. wtmusic Aug 2013 #50

Though the orders of magnitude are what matters, here is a list of the fastest computers. xocet Aug 2013 #46

The geek in me took over for a moment Aerows Aug 2013 #93

Of course; greiner3 Aug 2013 #161

I see it as Assange is tired of his embassy cell. Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #25

Or maybe he's just doing what he has always been doing. go west young man Aug 2013 #44

Assange-ing is a Distraction Technique HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #131

Since when does the freest country on earth view the truth as a doomsday bomb? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #138

No person on Earth, no group of people on Earth, wants complete exposure. Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #144

So, what if you are right? What if you are wrong? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #145

Ah, sorry. I guess I came over as flippant. Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #146

What kind of insurance? Insurance against what? Insurance for whom? another_liberal Aug 2013 #29

Insurance against prior restraint. It's in the article. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #61

That is why Wikileaks released them . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #70

They've done this before. Releasing the encrypted files globally without the key. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #71

One should assume . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #79

I would think they Aerows Aug 2013 #83

No doubt. another_liberal Aug 2013 #86

I agree. But I don't think that the insurance files are Snowden's documents. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #94

It could be anything, you are correct Aerows Aug 2013 #98

Snowden has been so adamant about a deliberative vetting and publishing process Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #103

That's a good point. Aerows Aug 2013 #110

: ) Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #141

I suspect they are striving for such capability but aren't quite there yet. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #84

Lets hope so at least. another_liberal Aug 2013 #91

You know Aerows Aug 2013 #112

That's what I'm thinking. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #140

You have to know that this totally pisses the NSA off...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #38

What would totally piss off the NSA is if it came out that they were working for Wall Street. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #74

I thought that had already (sort of) Aerows Aug 2013 #77

Everyone FREAK OUT!!!!11 tridim Aug 2013 #39

the Wiki that cried Wolf. Sorry, they lost the public attention long ago. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #41

You comment on every one of these threads Aerows Aug 2013 #75

Lol! NealK Aug 2013 #109

First, didn't he release this years ago, under the same premise? Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #43

His scam is falling apart. tridim Aug 2013 #47

Hey at least he's raking in the Iliyah Aug 2013 #48

How so? wtmusic Aug 2013 #53

Sadly DU isn't about well sourced data anymore. go west young man Aug 2013 #57

FACT: To the Right Wing, a "Fact" is any statement that reinforces personal biases and convictions. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #168

The cables were "insured" in a similar manner. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #78

It can serve as a Dead Man's Switch Aerows Aug 2013 #81

I see the NSA apologists, statists hueymahl Aug 2013 #49

It's funny reading all their posts. go west young man Aug 2013 #51

Yup. NealK Aug 2013 #67

400GB of data??????????????? delrem Aug 2013 #66

325.39 GB of data if you want to be more precise Electric Monk Aug 2013 #73

You do know how easy it is to send a torrent with 1TB of crap, delrem Aug 2013 #82

Sure, I'm not bothering to DL any of it myself, just pointing out where it can be found. Electric Monk Aug 2013 #85

wtf kind of info requires 350G? delrem Aug 2013 #89

? Aerows Aug 2013 #87

I think they're saying that they think wikileaks is just bluffing with these torrent files. Electric Monk Aug 2013 #90

Yeah..I don't know Aerows Aug 2013 #95

Snowden hasn't gone through wikileaks, ffs. delrem Aug 2013 #97

I don't know why you're posting that in reply to me. See posts #94 and #98 above. nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #100

Because you're suggesting that these files were torrented by wikileaks. delrem Aug 2013 #105

Did you read the OP? Try reading it again, where it says "Wikileaks just released a..." nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #108

Wikileaks released these files Aerows Aug 2013 #111

Consider size of package vs kind of info promised. delrem Aug 2013 #96

They released a 1.7 TB file before Aerows Aug 2013 #114

Snowden's leak is unlike "cablegate". delrem Aug 2013 #124

Okay Aerows Aug 2013 #126

What kind of info was promised? NealK Aug 2013 #117

Fast connection, lots of seeders, doesn't take that long. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #148

already have one but certainly don't have space for another release 400 times bigger n/t PatrynXX Aug 2013 #123

Drives are cheap. Around here you can get a 1 Terabyte external for $60 on sale. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #149

I'm in! Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #133

Best post of the night. go west young man Aug 2013 #136

Ralphie Parker, newest member of the SECRET CIRCLE, is that you? MADem Aug 2013 #147

LOL, good one DiverDave Aug 2013 #151

That it can't currently be opened isn't material dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #150

That it can't be opened is THE WHOLE POINT BlueStreak Aug 2013 #157

I'm beginning to wonder if CIA and all of the Governments have already called his bluff. The Stranger Aug 2013 #198

This is good news for Wikileaks. greiner3 Aug 2013 #162

lot of clever computer persons who would take 'no one can open' as a challenge. Sunlei Aug 2013 #185

Probably a tracking program that quietly scans your computer and sends JoePhilly Aug 2013 #187

Why would you make a post like that? Ash_F Aug 2013 #190

Awe, now you're just trying to hurt my feelings. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #195

No just trying to help you Ash_F Aug 2013 #196

What is "inane" is downloading any file with unknown contents. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #197