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raouldukelives

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62. Yes, the lobbyists get the money from the corporations. Do you think they spend their own money?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:38 PM
Aug 2013

They spend investors money. But you know all this. That is what keeps the game afloat. That is what keeps action from occurring against climate change and attacks the efforts of those trying to sustain a habitable environment for the planets wildlife.
I think that issues transcends the needs of people who collaborate with corporations.
The corporations are extended the benefit of fiduciary responsibility by the shareholders themselves.
I am in no way trying to shift the blame for corporate wrongdoing onto the shareholders, just that they are complicit in the actions of the corporations they support with their own money. It is a free choice for them. Nobody is demanding they support Goldman or Lockheed.
Would someone who invested in slavery be as guilty as the slave owner? No. Would they be considered a prudent investor? Only by some.
I am sorry to hear your sons actions failed but commend him for taking a stand.
When Yale does not divest, one must divest from Yale.

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Obama Goes to Bat for Big Tobacco in TPP [View all] Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 OP
Recommend... KoKo Aug 2013 #1
I am so disgusted at this. Shame, shame on Obama for this misguided idea. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #2
How can anyone be merely "misguided" about tobacco and cancer? Divernan Aug 2013 #9
OK; I should have picked a stronger word! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #11
You know, this is so outrageous, I can't think of a word that IS strong enough! Divernan Aug 2013 #12
I'm with you........this is just horrifyingly criminal! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #14
Tobacco is the single greatest cause of preventable death globally. Divernan Aug 2013 #56
He never met a corporation he wasn't willing to get in bed with. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #3
Obama Goes to Bat for Big Tobacco in TPP The CCC Aug 2013 #4
God Bless the United Corporations of America. progressoid Aug 2013 #5
corp.gov Why Syzygy Aug 2013 #55
ZERO TARIFFS, EXPANDED INVESTOR RIGHTS, GREATER LIMITS ON ADVERTISING & OTHER REGULATIONS! Divernan Aug 2013 #6
And when Granny gets Cancer she can get Demerol from Walgreens warrant46 Aug 2013 #59
and who played a leading part in drafting the TPP? Hillary Clinton. antigop Aug 2013 #7
She was just carrying on the family tradition. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author antigop Aug 2013 #15
but but but Phlem Aug 2013 #33
Obama is a corporatist. TM99 Aug 2013 #8
Shareholders are in charge. Only they have the power to assist or not assist the corptocracy. nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #32
While true, what does it have to do with the price of tea in China? TM99 Aug 2013 #37
Well, just pointing out people do get what they pay for. nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #41
Have you never heard of lobbyists? Divernan Aug 2013 #39
Why yes, I have. Do you know who gives the lobbyists all that money? raouldukelives Aug 2013 #40
Why yes, I do - having worked for the Democratic caucus of my state legislature for many years Divernan Aug 2013 #43
Yes, the lobbyists get the money from the corporations. Do you think they spend their own money? raouldukelives Aug 2013 #62
This is somewhat off-topic, but ... Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #42
And let us not forget all the huge, high paying "non-profit" businesses with zip stockholders. Divernan Aug 2013 #45
Indeed. And yet they still freely choose to support them. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #63
Big tobacco and the Koch brothers co-created the "tea party". Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #10
And the Koch's Propaganda Machines use same game plan to deny climate change as promoted tobacco stuffmatters Aug 2013 #64
Harvard School of Public Health: "World looking at a billion deaths from tobacco this century." Divernan Aug 2013 #16
And the neutering and subversion of the US gov't to big corporations continues Triana Aug 2013 #17
Call your congress person: NO to fast tracking, straight up-or-down vote; NO TO BIG TOBACCO! Divernan Aug 2013 #18
i eagerly await the palace guard's spin on how this is actually a good thing... KG Aug 2013 #19
It will be very profitable for Big Pharma/Health Care - all those cancer patients Divernan Aug 2013 #20
Another huge victory for Reaganism if the TPP passes. pa28 Aug 2013 #21
I call all the presidents since Carter "Reaganites." immoderate Aug 2013 #51
TPP isn't as much about trade as it is democracy itself, democratic values, and our own sovereignty- silvershadow Aug 2013 #22
Forward this link to your local paper/political cartoonist. Divernan Aug 2013 #23
what, Latin America so saturated they have to move on to China? MisterP Aug 2013 #24
If "saturation" was their concern, why would they move to a country hughee99 Aug 2013 #53
Why Is The Liberal Press Mostly Ignoring This? colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #25
Reporting staffs slashed, don't typically cover international trade stories Divernan Aug 2013 #26
No O supporters posting yet. Has Obama jumped the shark with this one? Divernan Aug 2013 #27
Not to worry . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #29
Actually, the BOG only does that... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #38
They turned up but even they were lost for a coherent response this time. Nihil Aug 2013 #66
Thanks for that info. Thanks to "ignore" I haven't seen any responses. Divernan Aug 2013 #67
Yet, smokers fredamae Aug 2013 #28
headline is so biased it's funny nt uhnope Aug 2013 #30
I'm late to the party, but glad I'm not the only one who thought that...thanks! George II Aug 2013 #34
I was wondering when someone would notice that. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #44
That is the last straw. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #31
And at the same time . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #46
Maybe Obama should have spent his summer vacation volunteering in a cancer ward. Divernan Aug 2013 #48
it's not a straw, it's a bat. heh. uhnope Aug 2013 #49
Many firms representing Big Tobacco randr Aug 2013 #35
No counter-points yet? Ash_F Aug 2013 #36
Sometimes it takes a while . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #47
They're busy getting David Miranda fitted for an al Qaeda uniform. They'll be around eventually. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #50
There are none. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #52
Wait until smoking becomes cool again. Ash_F Aug 2013 #57
Bump, still waiting on the pro argument. Ash_F Aug 2013 #68
Vile, disgusting, and unconscionable. More and more like it's still 2008. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #54
What in the world is this? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #58
First six words sum up his entire reign Doctor_J Aug 2013 #60
The last good news from the Obama Administration was Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #61
$35 Billion annual Tobacco Profits; Nearly 6 million annual deaths. Divernan Aug 2013 #65
Obama has no shame. He'll do ANYTHING to protect the 1%. forestpath Aug 2013 #69
Not exactly. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #70
"This particular trade agreement will kill hundreds of millions of people." 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #71
Yes, tobacco is a legal product. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #73
Not surprising. He is a smoker. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #72
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