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rrneck

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49. Ms. Maddow is wrong.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

She is a talking head on television that makes a living telling people what they want to hear.

I googled certain terms like "bullet hole in airplane" and found the following. Research online is pretty easy if you take the time to do it. Apparently Ms. Maddow needs to beef up her research staff. Maybe she could send some of her public relations and marketing people to help.

This a bullet hole in an airplane.

http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2013-05/rear-seat-gunners-midway

National Naval Aviation Museum, Pensacola, FL - As Aviation Radioman Second Class Oral “Slim” Moore looks on, Ensign William Carter points to friendly fire damage their Dauntless suffered over Midway on 4 June. Low on fuel, the pair were forced to land on the atoll’s Eastern Island after a fruitless search for the Japanese task force that day.

This is Aloha Airlines 243 that suffered extensive structural damage when the roof of the cabin blew off at 24,000 feet. It made it home.


There is no way in hell a semi automatic rifle can cause enough structural damage to a commercial aircraft to bring it down. The only way to even approach the problem is to make the aircraft unflyable. That means damage the systems that operate the control surfaces of the aircraft or the engines that power it. Commercial aircraft employ system redundancy to ensure that if one system fails, another will be there to take its place. So, for example, there isn't just one hydraulic system, there are three. So if you want to disable the electrical or hydraulic systems of a 747, you would have to have to put a half inch wide bullet in exactly the right spot on a three hundred ton two hundred and forty foot long airplane going two hundred miles an hour three times.

Now, about this rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82
The long effective range, over 1,800 metres (5,900 ft) (1.1 miles), along with high energy and availability of highly effective ammunition such as API and Raufoss Mk 211, allows for effective operations against targets like radar cabins, trucks, parked aircraft and the like.


If you want to shoot down an airplane in flight, the mechanics are really no different from upland game hunting. You're just shooting at a moving target in the air. So if you're shooting at a phesant, or a clay target if you prefer, if the target is moving laterally across your field of vision you have to "lead" it, which is to say you have to shoot where it's going to be rather than where it actually is. Of course, if you want to minimize that effect, you could always get in front of the airplane and shoot at it that way, but other problems arise.

If you shoot the plane before it has progressed down the runway too far to stop, the pilot will just hit the brakes and do exactly that. If you wait too long to shoot the plane to try to make it crash in a flaming heap of terroristic horror, it will be going about two hundred miles an hour and rising into the sky, thus creating the moving target problem again. That creates a very narrow window of opportunity to take aim and make your three impossible shots. Not to mention the fact that you have just disabled a three hundred ton airplane heading straight for you. Now, you can always exploit the long range capability of the .50 to reduce the parallax between you and the target, but if you move far enough away to do that your target, meaning the exact spot you have to hit on the plane three times, will be smaller than the period at the end of this sentence.

Of course, all this assumes you will be able to find somebody that can actually shoot that accurately. And that person will have to establish a position from which to do his marksman magic. Have you ever been to an airport? People tend to notice guys walking around the neighborhood with a five foot long thirty pound rifle. So if you want to get close enough to make your impossible shot, you'll have a lot of explaining to do, and if you get far enough away for proper concealment, the shot will not just be impossible, but the entire notion becomes silly.

If fact, the entire notion is silly anyway. And just a few minutes with google proves it.

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Didn't he also veto gay marriage? Deep13 Aug 2013 #1
I will never understand the Christi love affair. madashelltoo Aug 2013 #2
If he runs against Hillary in 2016, maybe she'll goad him into yelling at her with that snarl on his CTyankee Aug 2013 #41
+1000 Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #44
Craven douchebag. It's all about Christie, not the safety of Americans. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #3
have to love Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #4
More like cannon confiscation. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #8
Yeah, when it's parked on a runway NickB79 Aug 2013 #11
I disagree Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #13
You do realize how high commercial aircraft flies, right? derby378 Aug 2013 #14
A civilian has no legitimate need for a .50-cal Barrett. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #15
The U.S. does not have a Dept. of Needs. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #16
Already done: the .416 Barrett NickB79 Aug 2013 #17
Government is all about meeting our needs. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #18
How many crimes have been committed with a .50? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #19
Why wait for a disaster before enacting common sense gun laws? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #20
how many did Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #28
I've heard this argument before derby378 Aug 2013 #96
Mexico is NOTHING like Australia. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #97
While I am in favor of liberalizing marijuana laws and thus denying Mexican cartels their profits... derby378 Aug 2013 #98
.338 Lapua Magnum Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #30
Modern commercial aircraft rrneck Aug 2013 #21
We're not talking about an ordinary rifle. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #22
Against a 360 ton aircraft, it's a popgun. rrneck Aug 2013 #23
That's not how the manufacturer describes it. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #24
yes Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #27
Every time someone tells me they know what they're talking about... SunSeeker Aug 2013 #33
You believed "Rachel". nt rrneck Aug 2013 #62
Ouch! Even I could feel the sting from that one... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #64
You think it's clever to suggest a weapons manufacturer would commit a felony and lose contracts? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #93
Yes. rrneck Aug 2013 #29
Rachel showed the marketing materials on her show. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #32
no one ever Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #36
Thanks for the information. Please stay out of my neighborhood. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #40
Ms. Maddow is wrong. rrneck Aug 2013 #49
Manufacturers lie all the time. So what else is new? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #35
Sounds like you've given this a lot of thought. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #39
It doesn't take a lot of thought. rrneck Aug 2013 #46
Guilty as charged. Paladin Aug 2013 #48
I don't have a problem with whatever you choose to consider or not. rrneck Aug 2013 #59
Huh? Paladin Aug 2013 #63
LOL! rrneck Aug 2013 #66
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #71
Is that the best you can do? rrneck Aug 2013 #73
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #74
Not thinking yet. rrneck Aug 2013 #85
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #89
It's not so bad. rrneck Aug 2013 #92
Thanks for keeping me posted. Glad to see you're easily satisfied. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #99
Glad you're up to the task. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #100
and still not bring it down Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #26
Jets follow fixed takeoff and landing routes at airstrips. No fast movement required. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #34
OK Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #37
Humongous? Not really NickB79 Aug 2013 #38
Yes, really. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #67
Wrong again. rrneck Aug 2013 #68
LOL. Quantity does not equal quality. Your links did not dispute anything I posted. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #76
Wrong still again. rrneck Aug 2013 #79
You have not disputed it. Their posting irrelevant nonsense is not a "courtesy." nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #81
Of course I did. rrneck Aug 2013 #82
Why would you want to own a Barrett? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #84
I wouldn't. rrneck Aug 2013 #86
Then why do you object to it being banned? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #87
Banning the rifle would be an exercise in futility. rrneck Aug 2013 #88
I disagree. I think this will cost Christie. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #90
Politically hurting republicans is good. rrneck Aug 2013 #91
Yay. We finally agree. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #94
Yep. rrneck Aug 2013 #95
Then you get a smaller but still as dangerous round to replace it NickB79 Aug 2013 #104
Then we need to ban that crazy shit too. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #105
And that's where you screw up NickB79 Aug 2013 #106
Nope, shotguns and single action hunting rifles would be allowed. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #107
but...but...it's a "slippery slope" doncha know! First they come for your .50-cal Barrett, next CTyankee Aug 2013 #42
LOL SunSeeker Aug 2013 #47
The slippery slope is thinking anybody can shoot down a three hundred ton airplane with a rifle. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #69
That's not the issue I was thinking of. what aeronautic equipment that gun can or cannot CTyankee Aug 2013 #70
Tell that to rrneck Aug 2013 #72
Oh, I dunno...just off hand perhaps because it is "the most powerful weapon commonly CTyankee Aug 2013 #78
Like I said... rrneck Aug 2013 #80
You know what they call that kind of question? CTyankee Aug 2013 #83
You don't need to post that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #75
You're probably right. I'll delete it. nt. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #77
Is this really a surprise? branford Aug 2013 #5
Barrett 50? AudioXzibit Aug 2013 #6
So you say he is exploring a run for the presidency? quakerboy Aug 2013 #7
Big Boy Chris must be afraid of the NRA fatwa. Historic NY Aug 2013 #9
Someone has ambitions for 2016 as a "Moderate." blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #10
He want his cake and to shoot it too! This should change the minds of lib Dems is they kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #12
He wants to be president Marrah_G Aug 2013 #25
I'm just couch quarterbacking, but I feel like Christie will be easy to beat.. TekGryphon Aug 2013 #31
Can't wait to see Hillary get into his anti-choice stand if they run against each other in 2016. CTyankee Aug 2013 #43
I see the gunners have taken over this thread Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #45
Yup. There haven't been that many gun threads, so they're hungry. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #50
Why is this gun indefensible? hack89 Aug 2013 #51
LOL. What took you so long to find this thread, hack? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #52
Not going to answer a reasonable question I see. hack89 Aug 2013 #54
Right back atcha. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #56
Thanks for your help hack89 Aug 2013 #57
Good. That's just how I like it. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #65
Someone had to bring the facts to the conversation when the antigunners did not. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #53
They offered only opinion as to the .50, while only offering SunSeeker Aug 2013 #55
Feel free to ask questions if you are still confused. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #58
I'm not confused. Propaganda ia not "education." nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #60
Glad you cleared THAT up. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #61
Wow, this thread is priceless NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #101
Discussion has nothing to do with it. rrneck Aug 2013 #103
What an ass wipe trying to play both sides again gopiscrap Aug 2013 #102
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