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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
59. I don't have a problem with whatever you choose to consider or not.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

And I don't have any need to score any points with you.

If you have no interest in the subject of guns I don't think any less of you for it. Lots of people don't like them or have any use for them, and that's fine.

Do you vote? Since guns periodically become a political issue in this country, and that issue often as not results in legislation to regulate them, I would think any responsible voter would have at least some passing knowledge about the thing being regulated. How can anyone hope to make an informed decision as a responsible citizen without some basic knowledge about the world around them? I mean, it's not like firearms are new development. The technology is only 725 years old.

Do you ever fly on an airplane? I would think that in the interest of self preservation if nothing else, you might have considered how someone might shoot down the airplane in which your are riding. I mean, it's not like commercial aircraft have not been in the news lately as tools of terrorists.

But I'm being silly. Of course you've thought of all those things. How could you not? So the real question is why would anyone claim to have never considered how a terrorist might shoot down an airplane with a rifle? In your case, I have no idea. To claim otherwise would be an ecological fallacy, and that's not fair to you. So I will have to generalize.

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Why would anyone claim to have never considered a possibility even though that possibility has been brought to their attention repeatedly over a period of time? Well, since there is a reason for everything and I don't like to think the worst of people, I expect is has something to do with group dynamics and tribalism. People want - need - to be members of a group. There are many ways to go about that and some are better than others. Preferred methods would include actually being a productive member of that group through the contribution of intellectual or physical capital. You know, actually helping people. But through the miracle of industrialization and marketing, there are other ways.

Group affiliation can also be secured through affectation. All one has to do is say the right words and use the right products to be considered the member of a group in our consumer culture. Linguistic taboos become thought crimes in the best hear no evil tradition, and certain products become evil totems and symbols of the depravity of the "other tribe". This way ideology becomes a sort of social plumage that can be donned, and discarded, at the wearers convenience. Such ideologies are at best useless and generally detrimental to society as a whole. People who embrace them don't have any skin in the game, and when the time comes for them to put up or shut up, they typically choose the latter by merely selecting new plumage.

But the real issue is not people's motivation for why they say and do things, but who provides the things they say and do. And why.

Ideologies have become products. They are developed and marketed like dish soap. The social conventions that have traditionally held cultures together have become products and the people that embrace them frequently confuse human relationships with brand loyalty and research with smart shopping. Religion, politics, war, peace, life and death are just the source of a revenue stream for a hyper wealthy cadre of individuals who no more embrace them than they would embrace a leper. They use the media that they own to employ talking heads to tell people what they want to hear as a substitute for critical thinking. Rush and Keith, Rachel and Glenn are all in the same business, and business is good.

The result is a body politic without a head. We are paying the owners of this country to divide us and making them rich doing it. We are all becoming casualties in the culture wars for profit because too many people seem to think all they have to do is buy the right stuff to be good citizens. We are being balkanized for profit.

You can always pay one half of the poor to kill the other half.
Jay Gould 1836 - 1892



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Didn't he also veto gay marriage? Deep13 Aug 2013 #1
I will never understand the Christi love affair. madashelltoo Aug 2013 #2
If he runs against Hillary in 2016, maybe she'll goad him into yelling at her with that snarl on his CTyankee Aug 2013 #41
+1000 Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #44
Craven douchebag. It's all about Christie, not the safety of Americans. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #3
have to love Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #4
More like cannon confiscation. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #8
Yeah, when it's parked on a runway NickB79 Aug 2013 #11
I disagree Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #13
You do realize how high commercial aircraft flies, right? derby378 Aug 2013 #14
A civilian has no legitimate need for a .50-cal Barrett. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #15
The U.S. does not have a Dept. of Needs. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #16
Already done: the .416 Barrett NickB79 Aug 2013 #17
Government is all about meeting our needs. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #18
How many crimes have been committed with a .50? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #19
Why wait for a disaster before enacting common sense gun laws? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #20
how many did Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #28
I've heard this argument before derby378 Aug 2013 #96
Mexico is NOTHING like Australia. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #97
While I am in favor of liberalizing marijuana laws and thus denying Mexican cartels their profits... derby378 Aug 2013 #98
.338 Lapua Magnum Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #30
Modern commercial aircraft rrneck Aug 2013 #21
We're not talking about an ordinary rifle. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #22
Against a 360 ton aircraft, it's a popgun. rrneck Aug 2013 #23
That's not how the manufacturer describes it. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #24
yes Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #27
Every time someone tells me they know what they're talking about... SunSeeker Aug 2013 #33
You believed "Rachel". nt rrneck Aug 2013 #62
Ouch! Even I could feel the sting from that one... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #64
You think it's clever to suggest a weapons manufacturer would commit a felony and lose contracts? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #93
Yes. rrneck Aug 2013 #29
Rachel showed the marketing materials on her show. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #32
no one ever Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #36
Thanks for the information. Please stay out of my neighborhood. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #40
Ms. Maddow is wrong. rrneck Aug 2013 #49
Manufacturers lie all the time. So what else is new? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #35
Sounds like you've given this a lot of thought. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #39
It doesn't take a lot of thought. rrneck Aug 2013 #46
Guilty as charged. Paladin Aug 2013 #48
I don't have a problem with whatever you choose to consider or not. rrneck Aug 2013 #59
Huh? Paladin Aug 2013 #63
LOL! rrneck Aug 2013 #66
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #71
Is that the best you can do? rrneck Aug 2013 #73
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #74
Not thinking yet. rrneck Aug 2013 #85
You poor thing. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #89
It's not so bad. rrneck Aug 2013 #92
Thanks for keeping me posted. Glad to see you're easily satisfied. (nt) Paladin Aug 2013 #99
Glad you're up to the task. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #100
and still not bring it down Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #26
Jets follow fixed takeoff and landing routes at airstrips. No fast movement required. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #34
OK Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #37
Humongous? Not really NickB79 Aug 2013 #38
Yes, really. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #67
Wrong again. rrneck Aug 2013 #68
LOL. Quantity does not equal quality. Your links did not dispute anything I posted. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #76
Wrong still again. rrneck Aug 2013 #79
You have not disputed it. Their posting irrelevant nonsense is not a "courtesy." nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #81
Of course I did. rrneck Aug 2013 #82
Why would you want to own a Barrett? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #84
I wouldn't. rrneck Aug 2013 #86
Then why do you object to it being banned? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #87
Banning the rifle would be an exercise in futility. rrneck Aug 2013 #88
I disagree. I think this will cost Christie. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #90
Politically hurting republicans is good. rrneck Aug 2013 #91
Yay. We finally agree. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #94
Yep. rrneck Aug 2013 #95
Then you get a smaller but still as dangerous round to replace it NickB79 Aug 2013 #104
Then we need to ban that crazy shit too. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #105
And that's where you screw up NickB79 Aug 2013 #106
Nope, shotguns and single action hunting rifles would be allowed. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #107
but...but...it's a "slippery slope" doncha know! First they come for your .50-cal Barrett, next CTyankee Aug 2013 #42
LOL SunSeeker Aug 2013 #47
The slippery slope is thinking anybody can shoot down a three hundred ton airplane with a rifle. nt rrneck Aug 2013 #69
That's not the issue I was thinking of. what aeronautic equipment that gun can or cannot CTyankee Aug 2013 #70
Tell that to rrneck Aug 2013 #72
Oh, I dunno...just off hand perhaps because it is "the most powerful weapon commonly CTyankee Aug 2013 #78
Like I said... rrneck Aug 2013 #80
You know what they call that kind of question? CTyankee Aug 2013 #83
You don't need to post that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #75
You're probably right. I'll delete it. nt. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #77
Is this really a surprise? branford Aug 2013 #5
Barrett 50? AudioXzibit Aug 2013 #6
So you say he is exploring a run for the presidency? quakerboy Aug 2013 #7
Big Boy Chris must be afraid of the NRA fatwa. Historic NY Aug 2013 #9
Someone has ambitions for 2016 as a "Moderate." blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #10
He want his cake and to shoot it too! This should change the minds of lib Dems is they kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #12
He wants to be president Marrah_G Aug 2013 #25
I'm just couch quarterbacking, but I feel like Christie will be easy to beat.. TekGryphon Aug 2013 #31
Can't wait to see Hillary get into his anti-choice stand if they run against each other in 2016. CTyankee Aug 2013 #43
I see the gunners have taken over this thread Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #45
Yup. There haven't been that many gun threads, so they're hungry. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #50
Why is this gun indefensible? hack89 Aug 2013 #51
LOL. What took you so long to find this thread, hack? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #52
Not going to answer a reasonable question I see. hack89 Aug 2013 #54
Right back atcha. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #56
Thanks for your help hack89 Aug 2013 #57
Good. That's just how I like it. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #65
Someone had to bring the facts to the conversation when the antigunners did not. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #53
They offered only opinion as to the .50, while only offering SunSeeker Aug 2013 #55
Feel free to ask questions if you are still confused. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #58
I'm not confused. Propaganda ia not "education." nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #60
Glad you cleared THAT up. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #61
Wow, this thread is priceless NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #101
Discussion has nothing to do with it. rrneck Aug 2013 #103
What an ass wipe trying to play both sides again gopiscrap Aug 2013 #102
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