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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
31. Except we're not talking about "wacky stormfront conspiracy theories"
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:07 PM
Aug 2013

I don't know if you've ever been on Stormfront. I have. Research purposes, you know? Believe me, what they come up with is way, way beyond anything Erdogan has said here. On Stormfront, Jews control Kentucky Fried Chicken and the secret herbs and spices are actually drugs and chemicals that incite blacks to violence against whites, as part of ZOG's master plan against the races of Europe.

What we have here is the leader of one nation accusing the government of a second nation of being involved in the politics of a third nation. This is not an off-the-wall thing, in fact it happens every fucking day, with pretty much every nation on earth. Some ARE more credible than others... but it just happens that accusing Israel of interfering in Egypt is quite credible, given Israel has done so before, both as antagonist and as partner.

Ignoring the reality of international politics, and the reality of the history of Israeli-Egyptian relations, you instead decide to use jews as human shields - essentially saying that anyone who launches a criticism of Israel only does so because JOOOOZ. That's shameful, exploitative, and flatly ignorant.

Now, I want you to understand. i'm not fist-bumping Erdogan here, I'm simply explaining to you that Israel and Jews are two different things, and that someone can speak against Israel, even ludicrously, without Jews being the centerpiece - or even involved. And if you want to talk about Stormfront, I will advise you - they can't tell the difference between Jews and Israel, either. Not lobbing the accusation that you fit into the crowd, as far as i can tell you don't... but still, just realize there's a difference between the two.

As pertains to Erdogan's accusation... he says he has proof:

"What do they say in Egypt? Democracy is not the ballot box. What is behind it? Israel. We have in our hands documentation," Erdogan said in comments broadcast by TRT state television.


Okay. I want to see it. He says "We have proof," he needs to present that proof for examination. Don't you think? I think we can agree on that, if you make an accusation you should back it up, ESPECIALLY if you say "I have the stuff to back it up." Am I right?

Now here's something. Reuters was able to contact Israel, the US, and Egypt for their responses. What it doesn't do is contact Turkey for a follow-through, it doesn't say "Mr. Erdogan, this is one of the world's biggest newswires, could you share this proof with us please?" I think this is odd, because... well...
- if Erdogan has good evidence to back his accusation, that's a story.
- if Erdogan has bad evidence backing his claim. that's a story
- if Erdogan refuses to release the evidence, that's a story
- If Erdogan says "I made it up," that's a story.
A column that says "Erdogan said this, then Egypt said that, and Israel responded with something and here's what the US says about the discussion" isn't a story, it's a gossip piece.

And a little blurb on media literacy? Notice how often the article reminds us that Erdogan's party is "Islamist." Notice too how it praises both Egypt's military junta and Turkey's former military rule. This article isn't journalism, but it's something, all right.

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When in doubt, blame it on the Jews. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #1
Don't forget that he was also a strong supporter of Assad in Syria. And then there's Iran . . . branford Aug 2013 #3
Actually, he'd be more proud of you Scootaloo Aug 2013 #13
Yeah, all of those wacky Stormfront conspiracy theories blaming 'Zionists' and the "Mossad" geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16
Except we're not talking about "wacky stormfront conspiracy theories" Scootaloo Aug 2013 #31
To be honest, it's more plausible that the Mossad controls geek tragedy Aug 2013 #33
Except Erdogan isn't saying "Mossad controls Egypt's military" Scootaloo Aug 2013 #36
Because the Saudis funnel aid to Egypt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #37
Wow, really? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #38
Considering Netanyahu's track record . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #2
Track record of what - opposing violent Islamists? branford Aug 2013 #5
His track record of . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #7
What is Netanyahu's track record in governing Egypt? Silly. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #6
Never heard of the Mossad? another_liberal Aug 2013 #9
So, the Mossad is in charge of Egypt's military now? Jeebus, listen to yourself, nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #11
I suspect you are being intentionally obtuse? another_liberal Aug 2013 #25
You're right about that leftynyc Aug 2013 #43
Those who are blinded by bias . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #44
Tell me about it leftynyc Aug 2013 #45
Bias is as bias does. another_liberal Aug 2013 #54
What a sleazy pos. jessie04 Aug 2013 #4
Let's see what the Trukish President's proof actually is. another_liberal Aug 2013 #8
He's making shit up, and I really pity anyone not able geek tragedy Aug 2013 #14
Pity anyone you want. another_liberal Aug 2013 #27
Notice he doesnt release this "proof" ? jessie04 Aug 2013 #24
He may have to . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #26
Still waiting for that amazing proof. jessie04 Aug 2013 #67
Yes, by all means . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #69
If he never delivers, what will be your opinion then ? jessie04 Aug 2013 #70
If President Erdagon never produces evidence to support his accusation? another_liberal Aug 2013 #71
And i'm STIILL waiting for that devastating proof. jessie04 Aug 2013 #72
Day 6 jessie04 Aug 2013 #73
Day 7 jessie04 Aug 2013 #74
Day 8 jessie04 Aug 2013 #77
Day 10 jessie04 Aug 2013 #79
Day 11. jessie04 Aug 2013 #82
Hasbara trolls Steviehh Aug 2013 #10
I predict the mossad will cause your account to be cancelled, because you have geek tragedy Aug 2013 #12
Don't be so sure.. markpkessinger Aug 2013 #19
I've seen enough of this kind of troll to predict. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20
So anytime you bait someone... jessie04 Aug 2013 #22
Cool! another_liberal Aug 2013 #28
No matter how stupid, leftynyc Aug 2013 #46
I see none of those qualities in the posts in question. another_liberal Aug 2013 #48
Of course you don't leftynyc Aug 2013 #49
OMG! another_liberal Aug 2013 #51
I couldn't possibly care less (n/t) leftynyc Aug 2013 #53
You don't comprehend sarcasm either? another_liberal Aug 2013 #55
Yawn leftynyc Aug 2013 #56
I'm just not as gullible as some . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #61
I hope it's not too painful to keep leftynyc Aug 2013 #62
I support democracy . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #64
Bullshit leftynyc Aug 2013 #65
Don't tell me what my opinions are. another_liberal Aug 2013 #68
Quite a post. jessie04 Aug 2013 #21
I think the poster makes a fair point about U.S. hypocrisy concerning democratically elected ... markpkessinger Aug 2013 #23
Don't forget . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #29
Indeed. n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #30
There is no war against Islam. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #32
You think so? Scootaloo Aug 2013 #40
Well written post and I agree that our foreign policy is a mess and is hypocritical. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #41
I see a huge John2 Aug 2013 #57
I simply didn't want to bother discussing Israel; I get enough of that in I/P Scootaloo Aug 2013 #58
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #66
Boy, you just don't know what side anybody is on anymore. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #15
It is a dynamic situation Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #34
All true enough, I was talking more about old alliances & friendships which now lie in ruins. bemildred Aug 2013 #35
Indeed... Syria had united the Zionists, Turkey, and the Gulf dictators; now divided on Egypt! Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #47
Well, you know better than I, but yeah. bemildred Aug 2013 #59
"The Zionists" ? oberliner Aug 2013 #75
That's all you took from my post? Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #76
I appreciate your response oberliner Aug 2013 #78
With any luck, Erdogan would go next. David__77 Aug 2013 #17
Unfortunately, Edrogan represents majority sentiment in Turkey. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #18
There were massive protests in June but he cracked down hard. joshcryer Aug 2013 #50
+1000 n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #81
The White House should not have been so nice in the words they chose to use. William769 Aug 2013 #39
True jessie04 Aug 2013 #42
It does make sense for him to say that. He's bathing in the same tub as Morsi. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #52
Still waiting for that "double secret proof" jessie04 Aug 2013 #60
+1000 leftynyc Aug 2013 #63
The coalition we're counting on seems to be unraveling fast. Catherina Aug 2013 #80
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