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branford

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32. I believe it is very fair to ask what evidence the poster possesses,
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:04 PM
Aug 2013

considering this case has been under public scrutiny for years and the trial has just concluded. I'm not asking her expert legal opinion concerning obscure legal procedural minutia, only that she cite something available in the vast public record to support her contentions. Lawyer or not, providing evidence to support your assertions is the bedrock of effective civil discussion and debate.

You appear to be making many assertions based upon your own preconceived notions about Hassan, as do we all. First, Hassan was in fact evaluated as to whether he was fit to stand trial. He is welcome to raise the issue on appeal.

And why, exactly, would the fact that he was a trained psychiatrist weigh against his being fit to stand trial. Similarly, how does his desire to represent himself, admit his actions during his defense and not object to punishment, demonstrate his inability to stand trial. Blatant stupidity, or a belief in jihad or any other justification for one's crimes, does not necessarily prove one is legally insane or unfit to stand trial. Someone can easily be outrageously foolish and/or sufficiently righteous/sanctimonious enough to believe their actions were justified, yet still fully appreciate what they have done, its implications and potential punishment. If Hassan wished to represent himself, he had a fool for a client. However, it is not prima facie evidence of legal insanity. The trial judge meticulously ensured that Hassan knew the pitfalls of representing himself, was satisfied that he understood the implications, and even appointed a shadow defense counsel to protect his interests. You may believe that Hassan was unfit to stand trial or so insane as to be protected from criminal liability, but numerous doctors, the judge and the jury quite obviously disagree.

You apparently object generally to the standards and procedures that the criminal justice system, with some minor variations among different jurisdictions, uses when dealing with those who are mentally ill or whose conduct is so outrageous that you and others seem to impute such illness. You are most certainly free to have any views you wish, and advocate for a different system or result, but most jurists and the general public believe the system is fair. If anything, there are objections that too many protections are provided to these monsters, both those who are mentally ill and those who are just cruel sociopaths.

If you believe the case of Nidal Hassan will change the standards used to determine whether a defendant is fit to stand trial or is criminally responsible for their actions, well . . , good luck to you.

What your post was most notable lacking is any demonstration that Hassan did not received due process under the law, that his potential punishments do not fit his crimes, or evidence of his remorse sufficient to justify leniency or the opportunity for rehabilitation. Those issues are certainly worthy of discussion.

Your appear to equate agreeing with your assertions and opinions as "thinking like a lawyer." I've practiced long enough to know that you better have facts and evidence to back-up your opinions, and that hope and sanctimony very rarely win the day in court. If you are an attorney, or involved with the legal system, as you seem to imply, your criticism that I was "idiotic" for requesting that the prior poster provide evidence to support her contentions even after the conclusion of Hassan's trial, is most bewildering.

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I think this is what he wanted. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #1
Yes, indeed... I think it was a foregone conclusion that he'd be found guilty & likely be executed. hlthe2b Aug 2013 #3
Glad to hear the verdict shenmue Aug 2013 #2
I don't want him executed atreides1 Aug 2013 #4
Yup with you there ... I understand supermax prisons are nice this time of year. nt littlewolf Aug 2013 #10
+1 JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #26
Supermax, solitary confinement, for life nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #5
Hasan should be lucky that the toughest prison we have is ADX Florence derby378 Aug 2013 #30
He's in the Army and convicted by a Courts Martial. He should be going to the Military Disciplinary 24601 Aug 2013 #37
I want the judge to give him life leftynyc Aug 2013 #6
i hope he gets the treatment he needs... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #7
Oh my .... oldhippie Aug 2013 #8
compassion is what makes us human... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #9
Animals. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #23
Oh please tell me you're being sarcastic. 7962 Aug 2013 #12
people don't make themselves criminals... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #14
You think you're rather clever, but I doubt you're fooling anyone nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16
Stop it! I cant laugh anymore. My stomach aches. 7962 Aug 2013 #19
So, what's your CC handle? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #41
I don't think he needs christx30 Aug 2013 #13
it is hard to forgive those that hurt us Bully Taw Aug 2013 #15
This isn't about forgiveness. christx30 Aug 2013 #17
i was kinda on board with your statement, but... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #18
I don't see it as vengeance, but rather a balancing of the karmic checkbook derby378 Aug 2013 #31
I'm not talking about death. christx30 Aug 2013 #33
Do you have any evidence that Hassan could not differentiate between right and wrong, branford Aug 2013 #21
It's pretty idiotic to ask a poster "do you have any evidence" as if he/she is counsel on the case. The Stranger Aug 2013 #25
I believe it is very fair to ask what evidence the poster possesses, branford Aug 2013 #32
Then, instead of asking another poster what "evidence [they] have he could not differentiate The Stranger Aug 2013 #39
Amazing, reading the bloodthirst on this thread, purportedly coming from "Progressives" The Stranger Aug 2013 #22
The fact that you keep on repeating it, doesn't make it true! branford Aug 2013 #34
Scuttling your own defense in order to ensure the worst penalty IS EVIDENCE of his condition. The Stranger Aug 2013 #38
His defense was "justification." branford Aug 2013 #42
You implied that there was no evidence of his insanity. The Stranger Aug 2013 #44
I most certainly deny that. branford Aug 2013 #45
Can we really justify "returning to society" someone who killed that many people? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #28
Oh, jesus.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2013 #40
Next, what more can Hasan say to further seal his fate? Eugene Aug 2013 #11
I'd rather see life in prison, no possibility of parole, general population Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2013 #20
see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #24
Put him in the deepest, darkest hole possible. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #27
He has a Cellmate 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #29
"Yes he deserves to die... jessie04 Aug 2013 #35
Kick n/t Tx4obama Aug 2013 #36
No DP for him, I hope. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #43
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