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81. Do you really believe that it is better to accuse others of ignorance

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:54 PM

Aug 2013

or malice and demand compliance? A simple, friendly request will almost always achieve much better results than a stern lecture.

Also, keep in mind that even Manning's attorneys referred to her as "he" until the last few days. We've been writing about Manning for months, and old habits die hard.

Be very careful not to alienate those who would otherwise agree with you. It does not help the cause.

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Army: We won't provide transgender Manning with hormone treatment or sex reassignment surgery [View all] Freddie Stubbs Aug 2013 OP

That is disgusting Transphobic discrimination at its worst. jessie04 Aug 2013 #1

If I were Chelsea MynameisBlarney Aug 2013 #3

Read the article. delta17 Aug 2013 #39

Never been needed before . jessie04 Aug 2013 #45

You really think Manning is the first to request this? RZM Aug 2013 #49

When you're in prison, you don't get to do what you want. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #52

Has anyone ever labelled you an ignorant bigot? If not, please allow me to be the first. You HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #53

It's sad that you view everything through the lens of sexuality. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #54

Your post reeks of the attitude that gender dysphoria is some sort HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #55

It is not an illness. The surgery is, in fact, elective. That is why the prison will not provide it. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #56

I have no trouble at all discerning bigotry when it shows its ugly face. Too HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #57

The more posts I reply to, the worse you look. You've said nothing but "bigot". MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #58

A jury bounced you on Trumad's thread for your bigotry. Keep it up and maybe a jury will do the HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #64

wow. just shut your mouth, you're coming off as stupid (quoted from Step Brothers) GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #74

AMA and NIMH deem HRT and sexual reassignment surgery medically necessary Evasporque Aug 2013 #92

Massachusetts did... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #67

i have a hard time seeing that statement... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #68

So we shouldn't treat prisoners with broken legs? MillennialDem Aug 2013 #85

If she had cancer, they'd pay for the treatment. alarimer Aug 2013 #93

I'd say that job one ought to be... Orsino Aug 2013 #63

I was going to say Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #2

I hope not Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #9

he can do whatever he wants in prison.... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #13

She - not he FreeState Aug 2013 #23

ok, she... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #61

SHE Vanje Aug 2013 #25

good enough, then Bully Taw Aug 2013 #60

It's SHE, not HE. You are talking about a woman, use proper pronouns. idwiyo Aug 2013 #36

my apologies... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #59

Please, have a look at the article below. It will explain why 'anatomicaly male/female' doesn't idwiyo Aug 2013 #62

whether it makes sense or not... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #66

The article is about genetics (and anatomy) but it doesn't really matter. Chelsea is a woman, no idwiyo Aug 2013 #69

I'm cool with that. n/t Bully Taw Aug 2013 #70

There will be many things that Private Manning cannot do in prison that have nothing to do with 24601 Aug 2013 #83

Does the military provide it JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #4

My understanding is that Manning will be dishonorably discharged after he serves his sentence. branford Aug 2013 #5

So does the US Military JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #6

The Army does not permit transgendered individuals to serve at all frazzled Aug 2013 #10

I'm feeling the same way JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #11

No situational ethics, indeed frazzled Aug 2013 #20

Probably not able to take them while incarcerated. Revanchist Aug 2013 #76

She Vanje Aug 2013 #26

Sorry, force of habit after a VERY long trial and surrounding saga. branford Aug 2013 #28

According to poster CBGLuthier, you should have switched right away! GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #75

Heh. Demands for semantic purity will make enemies out of allies. branford Aug 2013 #80

I completely agree. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #86

The problem I'm having christx30 Aug 2013 #87

Ironically, you support Manning, yet may be attacked for your post. branford Aug 2013 #88

The use of the pronoun thing christx30 Aug 2013 #89

If this is what Manning really wants, then it's time to make a deal with the feds. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #7

I heard an AP report and the commentary afterwards Ilsa Aug 2013 #8

That's what I thought treestar Aug 2013 #34

what if others give or raise money for this ? would they allow her to get the surgery JI7 Aug 2013 #12

I certainly do not mean to be snarky, but the Army will determine what Manning "needs." branford Aug 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #14

I would strongly recommend editing/self-deleting geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

Although the comment could have been stated more diplomatically, branford Aug 2013 #17

Where did you get your MD? sgsmith Aug 2013 #18

Liberty U. JackBeck Aug 2013 #19

Apply ice to the burn! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #29

Incarceration under military custody is not always comparable to the civilian system. branford Aug 2013 #21

Thank you. Maedhros Aug 2013 #22

+ 1000 jessie04 Aug 2013 #33

Benghazi! DainBramaged Aug 2013 #43

You might want to educate yourself a little FreeState Aug 2013 #24

I removed my post. It upset some people, but I believe that to be completely unjustified. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #27

The issues surrounding Manning are extremely emotional. branford Aug 2013 #30

Careful. Talk like that will get you targeted as an enemy, too. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #32

I try very hard to be diplomatic! branford Aug 2013 #35

That is an incredibly childish attitude. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #48

But those who would presume to educate too often act as if Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #71

In other words, grovel for it. n/t Jamastiene Aug 2013 #78

Do you really believe that it is better to accuse others of ignorance branford Aug 2013 #81

Never. I'm at a loss to understand how you came to that conclusion. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #82

The comment I heard after an AP report Ilsa Aug 2013 #31

Do you know if the military has ever provided hormone therapy in the past? branford Aug 2013 #38

Move to Discharge too fast for it to be an issue. One_Life_To_Give Aug 2013 #72

The roadblock is the actual transfer from the Army to the BOP. n/t branford Aug 2013 #73

Arseholes. Nice to know that US military openly denies treatment for genetic medical condition. idwiyo Aug 2013 #37

Manning's attorneys might share some of the blame. branford Aug 2013 #40

Frankly I don't give a shit. Gender identity disorder is a genetic medical condition and must be idwiyo Aug 2013 #42

Whoa, idwiyo, you're shooting the messenger. branford Aug 2013 #44

It was not directed at you. Just my opinion about scum who would refuse medical treatment. Why idwiyo Aug 2013 #46

Unfortunately, the "why" really does matter. branford Aug 2013 #47

Jeralyn Merritt, at TalkLeft, has an informative comment about possible treatment for Manning. branford Aug 2013 #41

Remember, if something is issued by the US Government, it is NOT subject to Copywrite happyslug Aug 2013 #50

As far as I can tell, Manning is still in the Army.... wercal Aug 2013 #51

Well, there's a load off my mind! Doctor_J Aug 2013 #65

Anybody here ever do military time? billyoc Aug 2013 #77

1,214 days underpants Aug 2013 #79

I think he means military PRISON time. There's a difference. jmowreader Aug 2013 #84

If Manning enlisted and denied that he had gender issues... NaturalHigh Aug 2013 #90

Here's where it gets complex jmowreader Aug 2013 #91