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RainDog

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57. FINALLY! Something liberals and conservatives can agree on - no prohibition
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:20 PM
Aug 2013

Here are other reactions to Holder's announcement from the pov of conservatives.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16433-feds-will-respect-state-sovereignty-on-marijuana-says-ag-holder

Not all Law Enforcement Officers, past and present, agree with those raising a ruckus with Holder.

"Today's announcement by Eric Holder and the Department of Justice should be hailed as a victory for the 10th Amendment, states’ rights, and small-government proponents,” retired police Lieutenant Commander Diane Goldstein, a board member with the group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), told The New American. “Just as it was the states that finally ended the failed experiment with alcohol prohibition, it is the states that are propelling radical shifts in our national drug policy today. It is long past due for our politicians and all the branches of our government to support this change."


...and conservative's who hate the UN are having a "gotcha!" moment...

Despite decades-old United Nations agreements purporting to require global prohibition of the controversial plant and unconstitutional federal statutes claiming to outlaw it for virtually any purpose nationwide, state governments have increasingly turned to nullification by rejecting the war. Already, almost half of the states have adopted laws allowing marijuana to be used for medical purposes. Last year, voters in Colorado and Washington decided to end the war on cannabis completely, making it available legally to adults while taxing and regulating the industry.

The UN, of course, has been complaining loudly about recent developments in the United States, absurdly claiming that sovereign state governments could not regulate the plant as they see fit. The global entity even demanded that Obama quash the will of voters, drawing fury from across the political spectrum. Meanwhile, despite its rhetoric, the Obama administration has been targeting the medical-marijuana industry in states where it is legal more ferociously than even former President George W. Bush. The new guidelines to federal prosecutors, however, while leaving some leeway for prosecutorial discretion, are expected to rein in many of the excesses, according to analysts.


And conservatives are hoping this issue signals a future for refusal of... health care? (way to take the wrong lesson from this one...)

Despite numerous controversies surrounding the safety and morality of consuming the plant, the move is also being seen as a positive development among constitutionalists — especially because, as The New American outlined in great detail in 2011, the federal government has no constitutional authority to regulate or ban any substances. That is why alcohol prohibition, for example, required a constitutional amendment, which was ultimately repealed after the scheme led to soaring crime, lawlessness, an explosion of gang activity, and numerous other problems. Experts say even if it was not the administration’s intention, it appears as though the decision represents at least a partial victory in practice for the 10th Amendment granting all powers not delegated to the federal government to the states or the people.


Since the AG's office is talking about a "wait and see" policy - I don't quite see how this issue aligns with conservative goals to deny equal protection. But I'm no constitutional scholar like, oh, Scalia and other conservatives using the interstate commerce clause to deny cancer patients the right to grow cannabis for their own health care in their own backyards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
As concerned citizens defacto7 Aug 2013 #1
They are only concerned about their job security.. olddad56 Aug 2013 #4
That's how I see things as well. Also, the dirty cops TheDebbieDee Aug 2013 #12
not dirty, cuz they always have the best stuff. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2013 #77
If they're concerned about job security, they should stop voting Republican. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #20
Exactly. It's a huge jobs scam that's filled our prisons with people who simply don't belong there. WestSeattle2 Aug 2013 #51
yup fucking asshole pigs gopiscrap Aug 2013 #53
Those that rely on bogus crimes are corrupt and we don't need them in law enforcement. LiberalFighter Aug 2013 #59
The federal law has not changed. It is selective enforcement now. indie9197 Aug 2013 #22
I think we're watching a process unfold RainDog Aug 2013 #25
I swear, if they had their way, we'd live in a police state. n/t bobGandolf Aug 2013 #63
Awesomer .. Lenomsky Aug 2013 #2
new policiy cuts into the LEO welfare pork scam. now they may have to find real criminals nt msongs Aug 2013 #3
I'll BET they don't want to give up the fight. How you gonna justify the APC's now? Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #5
Indeed when .. Lenomsky Aug 2013 #6
Well said. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #33
just think no more kicking down the wrong door littlewolf Aug 2013 #36
How many in law enforcement are able to do that. LiberalFighter Aug 2013 #60
yep - piece of cake Locrian Sep 2013 #75
Coulda been from 'The Onion' alittlelark Aug 2013 #7
Tough, cops. Deal with it. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #8
Holder just made their jobs a hell of a lot more dangerous jmowreader Aug 2013 #9
I was just thinking maybe they would have the time and resources to go after meth AllyCat Aug 2013 #23
Resources, I think, are the biggest one jmowreader Aug 2013 #28
Used to live in Idaho. I feel for ya. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #34
yep, priorities Supersedeas Sep 2013 #73
I am SHOCKED SHOCKED to find that gambling is going on here. iandhr Aug 2013 #10
Notice was given by the voters. It's been time enough for law enforcement to prepare. delrem Aug 2013 #11
Time to shrink the government a bit... :) daschess1987 Aug 2013 #13
To quote NWA... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #14
They want their WOD booty Taverner Aug 2013 #15
The gravy train of busting stoners for big bucks is OVER. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #16
Big bucks at low risk! AllyCat Aug 2013 #24
fuck tha police frylock Aug 2013 #17
Citizens 1, Cops 0 nolabels Sep 2013 #67
Are they worried their childrern won't have life-long jobs w/pensions for persecuting hippies? Coyotl Aug 2013 #18
Of course. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #29
Cops worried about their promotions...priceless SHRED Aug 2013 #19
What sort of society do we want? RainDog Aug 2013 #21
Nice. WCLinolVir Sep 2013 #79
swords into ploughshares n/t RainDog Sep 2013 #81
Why protest Holder? He's not in charge of their jurisdictions, as State, County, and local officers Dragonfli Aug 2013 #26
Because only the Feds have the power to keep forcing prohibition on us, that's why. bemildred Aug 2013 #38
Bravo Mr. Holder :) Tx4obama Aug 2013 #27
"If there had been doubt about how meaningful Holder's move was ... " <-- I like this part. eom 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #30
I don't think there has been a article in recent months Oldenuff Aug 2013 #31
Why would the police be so dead-set against this? tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #32
I've seen these guys in action. Lasher Aug 2013 #35
For the man in the paddock, whose duty it is to sweep up manure, the supreme terror bemildred Aug 2013 #37
Didn't Gore say "It is difficult to get a man to understand something whose paycheck AllyCat Aug 2013 #43
Same deal, yeah, but Miller was a better writer. bemildred Aug 2013 #44
Upton Sinclair, not Gore, was the origin of that quote RainDog Aug 2013 #49
Yeah, I think you're right, but these things take on a life of their own. bemildred Aug 2013 #50
Oh. I'd never heard it attributed to Gore before RainDog Aug 2013 #52
No, not that one, I've never seen that one anywhere else. bemildred Aug 2013 #55
This is really funny...I meant ALBERT Gore, the VP. AllyCat Sep 2013 #68
Well, much as I like Al, I don't think he reads a lot of obscure Hugo in translation. bemildred Sep 2013 #70
Of course they do...less cool breaking down door equipment with fashion accessories. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #39
it`s all about the money.... madrchsod Aug 2013 #40
Fuck those roided up parasites! Bring on the pipers. Tom Ripley Aug 2013 #41
We ought to Thank them fredamae Aug 2013 #42
Who the fuck do they think they are? No one needs to notify them of shit! L0oniX Aug 2013 #45
"doesn't want to give up the fight."... Ha! What bullshit... Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #46
Fuck off and sit down, pig. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #47
Sounds just like a scene from the Wizard of Oz... Shampoobra Aug 2013 #48
Without hassling smokers, all there is to do is catch criminals . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #54
Sounds like some LEOs are worried about losing their jobs notadmblnd Aug 2013 #56
FINALLY! Something liberals and conservatives can agree on - no prohibition RainDog Aug 2013 #57
Of course...90% of their damn job is busting harmless pot smokers workinclasszero Aug 2013 #58
Sorry boys.. It's not your job to write or make enforcement decisions about the laws.. annabanana Aug 2013 #61
The asset-seizure laws, as currently enforced, are criminally unconstitutional imo indepat Aug 2013 #62
it's robbery RainDog Aug 2013 #64
Modern-day highwaymen, but with the seal of governmental approval. Unconstitutional indepat Aug 2013 #65
Harry J. Anslinger rickyhall Sep 2013 #66
We need to DISMANTLE this police state...... DeSwiss Sep 2013 #69
things are waaaay out of balance RainDog Sep 2013 #72
Tradition, where did it go? burnsei sensei Sep 2013 #71
they doth protest too much --- are they on the take? That's what happened in Prohibition wordpix Sep 2013 #74
There is a far broader coalition of law enforcement officers randr Sep 2013 #76
who doesnt like d_r Sep 2013 #78
The trough is running dry, or they THINK it will DiverDave Sep 2013 #80
One of Kevin Smith's lines fits quite well in this matter... adirondacker Sep 2013 #82
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